Monday, October 10, 2022

Skechers GO Run Razor 4 Multi Tester Review with 10 Comparisons

Article by Renee Krusemark, Steve Gedwill, Peter Stuart, and Jacob Brady

Skechers GO Run Razor 4 ($130)


The Razor 4 is a light weight daily trainer leaning towards the uptempo side of training. It is essentially the 2021 Razor Excess 2 with Skechers new Hyperburst Pro supercritical expanded pellet TPU foam, a new upper and a more extensive coverage GoodYear rubber outsole. 

The stack height is identical 30mm heel / 26 mm forefoot to the Excess 2, the carbon infused H plate returns, and the weight remains the same at about 8.28 oz  / 235g (US men’s 9). This is not the Razor 3 or Razor +, which are lighter lower stack shoes with no plate in the mix so it is by stats a more cushioned shoe but with a forefoot partial plate and a long stiffer springier flex. 

Hyperburst  foam when it emerged was a sensation as its C02 processed EVA allowed Skechers to dramatically reduce shoe weight while delivering a springy fun ride in the original Razor and then a whole line of trainers and racers. 

Will the new Pro foam deliver the energetic ride of the original Hyper, how is it different, and where overall does the Razor 4 fit in a runner’s rotation are all questions we will try to address 

In the review.


  • Energetic snappy forefoot with plenty of responsive firmer cushion Sam/Renee/Steve/Peter/Jacob
  • Finally a no real issues Skechers upper, comfortable and secure Sam/Dominique/Steve/Peter/Jacob
  • Solid value at $130 for a “carbon infused” plated supercritical foam trainer with plenty of rubber and light weight  Sam/Renee/Steve/Peter/Jacob
  • Excellent weight/cushion/responsiveness ratio: Renee/Steve


  • H-plate dulls the magic of the HyperBurst Pro foam: Renee/Steve/Peter
  • Not for slow paces back at the heel, It’s quite firm (rubber and low drop) Sam/Peter
  • Very different ride than the beloved Razor 3 and +: Renee/Peter


Approx.Weight: men's 8.28 oz  / 235g (US9) women’s  6.78 oz / 192g US8

  Samples: men’s 8.04 oz  / 228g US8.5 (same weight as Razor Excess 2)

                  women’s  6.78 oz / 192g US8

Stack Height: men’s mm 30 heel / 26 mm forefoot, 4mm drop

Available late October 2022

First Impressions, Fit and Upper

Renee: The Razor 3 is one of my favorite all-time road shoes, especially among the non-plated shoes. I have multiple Skechers running shoes and have always appreciated the weight/cushion ratio.

I had high expectations for the Razor 4, and overall it’s a great shoe (read on!). I hate to add a “but” here . . . but the Razor 4 has a different ride when compared to the Razor 3, one of my all time favorites. 

Essentially, the Razor 4 is the Razor Excess 2 with a new HyperBurst Pro midsole. Is this good? Bad? Do Razor 3 fans need to panic and scour the internet for the previous version? 

In terms of first impressions, the spec sheet provided by Skechers lists a much heavier weight than the actual shoe. My women’s size 8 weighs 6.78 ounces, which is light weight for the amount of cushion provided. My Razor 3 (which is well worn) weighs 5.61 ounces. 

As far as fit, I suggest true-to-size, although it is slightly longer than than the Razor 3 and similar to fit of other 2022 Skechers models, including the Excess 2, Ride 10, and the Persistence. I wouldn’t half size down. As compared to the Razor 3, you’ll get more length but not necessarily a wider toe box. The foot opening is long too, but I had no issues with security when using the extra/top eyelet.

Steve: SPEED is back in a big way on the Razor 4! I for one love the Speed badge on the upper and the bright spicy mustard yellow color really stands out. 

The Speed branding might be the only part of the Razor 3 that made it to the Razor 4 which now features a higher stack, Hyperburst Pro foam and a carbon infused H plate up front. 

The Skechers ArchFit insole adds an additional level of comfort at step-in. 

I find the Razor 4 to be true-to-size, but as Renee said it has slightly more length compared to the Razor 3. The hyper mono mesh and polyester upper is lightweight, breathable and provides a secure fit. I used the top eyelet for additional hold. Using it doesn’t add any unnecessary pressure on the foot. Will this beefed up version of the Razor have me singing the McDonald’s catchphrase “I’m loving it” or leave mewith an appetite for something more?

Peter: True-to-size for me. A good looking and very comfortable shoe from Skechers. Where does it fit in their lineup though? It’s plated, so has a nod to the Speed Elites and the Razor Excess, but it says Razor, so I’m inevitably looking to it as the natural progression of the Razor 3. It’s taken a lot of runs to get my head around how I feel about the Razor 4. 

Jacob: The Razor 4 is the first Skechers I have run in a long time that doesn’t have a mono mesh upper or Hyperburst midsole. It has a different vibe. It's is a bit heavier and more substantial underfoot, losing a bit of connection to the ground. 

As is typical with Sketchers, it is still relatively lightweight. In hand, the TPU bead Hyperburst Pro midsole feels like others I have run of this type, like Saucony’s PWRRUN+. The outsole is thick with a totally new pattern for Sketchers, more similar to other modern shoes (two piece rear, exposed midsole midfoot, single-piece forefoot). Overall it’s a lot of new technology and a ground-up design. 

On foot, the fit is accommodating and softly held. There is ample toebox room—I find Skechers historically a bit narrow at the forefoot so for my foot shape the Razor 4 fit is a great upgrade. The heel hold felt loose at first try-on but didn’t slip on the run so I appreciate the relaxed feel. I think those in-between sizes or who like a snug fit could go a half size down—for a trainer I favor more room, so I’m glad with the fit at true to size and find it amply secure as well as comfortable.


Renee: HyperBurst Pro! How can Skechers improve one of my favorite midsole foams? The Razor 3 and the Razor 4 don’t have the same geometry underfoot for me to run a fair A/B test, but the Razor 4 and Excess 2 are almost identical. 

For those who don’t know much about HyperBurst, it’s a lightweight supercritical processed foam that has a magical ability to be both responsive and cushioned. 

I think the HyberBurst Pro is better suited for distance runs, but it shows more creases after miles compared to the non-Pro midsole, which is fairly common for any super midsole foam. Personally, I don’t prefer any HyperBurst with the H-plate. The midsole is great enough on its own and I prefer to run with a non-plated shoe on a daily basis. 

Steve: I’m a huge fan of the HyperBurst foam in the Razor 3 and Razor Excess, so I was super excited to get my hands on the Razor 4 that features the new HyperBurst Pro. 

The HyperBurst Pro is a supercritical processed expanded TPU pellets foam that is both lightweight and responsive. It is also supposed to be more resilient than Hyperburst. 

The Razor 4 also features the carbon infused partial front H-plate that should add some stability and increase responsiveness (I’ll cover this in the ride section below). 

The ArchFit insole does add a layer of protection and comfort from the stiff H-plate. The HyperBurst Pro foam feels soft to the touch and lightweight on foot, but the real test begins on the road! Let’s Go!

Peter: I’m glad the technical details got sorted out above. I’ll go with vibe. THe midsole lacks the “soft but protective and springy” magic of the Razor 3. It feels a little jarring to me on the road. While the midsole is on the firm side, the plate really firms it up. I don’t love the midsole feel at moderate tempos. At faster speeds, the whole package gets jumpier and more exciting, but still leaves me feeling kind of beat up. 

Jacob: The Razor 4 midsole uses Skechers new Hyperburst Pro TPU bead midsole with a rocker-focused geometry. It has added structure from an embedded plate, though the plate is not full length so it does not give a propulsive, racer-type ride. 

The midsole is springy and medium in softness. It reminds me of Saucony PWRRUN+ but firmer—and is also similar to Saucony PWRRUN PB in the Endorphin Speed especially but slower to rebound. It provides good cushioning, protection, rebound, and response. Along with the relatively light Hyperburst Pro, it’s a performant design. However, I miss some of the characteristics of the regular Hyperburst (non-pro) which was more uniquely airy, low-density, and connected to the ground. 


Renee: As compared to previous Razor-line shoes, Skechers changed their formula and added thicker rubber to the outsole. I ran with the Razor 3, Razor +, and Razor Excess 2 on gravel without much destruction to the outsole, but I think the additional coverage will be useful to runners who are faster and heavier than me. The outsole does not add much in terms of traction or grip as compared to the other shoes in the Skechers Razor line, but it should improve durability. 

Steve: The Goodyear rubber outsole provides solid grip and durability. Compared to others in the Razor line, this outsole has a bit more coverage and appears to be a little thicker. This combination should make an already durable outsole hold up for more miles. I did get a couple pebbles stuck in the large groves under the ball of the foot (I guess they wanted to enjoy the ride as well). 

Jacob: I think the outsole is solid. The rubber is thick and has good traction on wet or dry roads. I tested in the rain and while I didn’t feel initially inspired by the traction, I tried to get it to slip on painted road lines and was surprised by the traction, so I think it’s overall above average. I don’t have enough miles to assess durability but with the depth of rubber it should last a while. The outsole pattern is a variation of a common pattern with two sections at the heel, some exposed midsole in the center midfoot, then a full coverage, single-piece forefoot with cutouts for flexibility and weight reduction. The majority of my rotation of modern road trainers has a similar pattern.

Peter: Yep, plenty of rubber meets the road. Grip is good (no sliding Meb moments–google it). 


Renee: The ride of the Razor 4 is more like the Excess 2 than the Razor 3 or +. The Razor 3 is lighter, has a better ground feel, and provides a quicker turnover from a mid-foot landing. Yet, the HyperBurst, through its magical powers, offers enough cushion for distance runs for those not needing a lot underfoot (I ran a 50K with my Razor + right out of the box). 

The Razor 4, I think because of the ArchFit and the plate, has a rocker-type ride. The ride feels less traditional to me. I like a low drop shoe, and it feels as if the drop occurs all within the forefoot rather than gradually. The ride is great, but it doesn’t have the same natural feel as the Razor 3. The Razor 4 works best for uptempo paces, strides, or speed intervals, although moderate to easy paces felt good too. 

Much like the Excess 2, the forefoot starts to feel overly firm during long runs, which I think is caused by the H-plate. If landing farther back at the midfoot or heel, the cushion and comfort is good. 

Steve: I’ll be honest, on my first run I wasn’t “loving it”, but I’m glad I didn’t let that sour my opinion. At first, I was feeling it as “can this HyperBurst Pro actually be more firm than regular HyperBurst?” After a few more runs, I found the Razor 4 to be quite responsive and snappy. The combo of the HyperBurst Pro and H-plate work quite well together, which provides a fun stable ride. 

The more miles I put in, the more intune I felt with Razor 4 and it completely changed my opinion. The HyperBurst Pro foam doesn’t seem to be a softer version of the original HyperBurst, as the ride still leans toward the firm side, but it is definitely more responsive and provides more ‘pop’ at toe off. This is pretty apparent at tempo paces and the turnover is quick and efficient. 

Peter: I think Steve and I are living in parallel but opposite universes. My first run was a glorious and speedy delight and I was loudly proclaiming that this was the rightful successor to the New Balance Rebel v2. Nearly every run since then has been a slide towards “i’m not sure this is the shoe for me, but MAYBE I like it?”. 

The ride is firm. For me it is punishingly firm. I don’t mind it too much when I’m running, but I have more aches and pains after runs in these than any other shoe at the moment. I am still enjoying them on tempo runs and for speedwork, but on easy days, they are just not cutting it for me. They are not nearly as forgiving as the Razor 3, and I don’t find them quite as snappy feeling ast the Razor Excess 2. 

Jacob: The Razor 4 ride is quick-moving, powered by the rebound of the midsole and rocker geometry of the forefoot, likely with the plate effect as well. It is moderately cushioned with a medium firmness—similarly midrange in forgiving feel, having some harshness on the drive to move quickly but also has good protection and forgivingness to form. 

I found it runs pretty well at a variety of paces in the endurance to marathon pace range. I had trouble running slow in it but no problem getting in a rhythm and just cruising along. I would definitely use it for workouts or medium-long runs at a moderate pace. It reminds me of the Saucony Endorphin Speed (I’ve only run version 1) but not quite as effortlessly fast or locked-in, kind of like a less elegant version. Overall it’s a solid, modern, versatile trainer ride, but feels a bit unpolished, it's not quite as smooth as I’d like.

Conclusions and Recommendations

Renee: The Razor 4 is a great shoe. Kudos to Skechers for keeping the price low (compared to other brands for a supercritical foam plate shoe).  As with most Skechers, the midsole is lightweight and responsive, yet cushioned enough for distance runs. Given that the Razor 3 is one of my favorite shoes, I was expecting more with this update. 

The Razor 4 ride is more like the Excess 2 than the Razor 3. And that might be an issue for some runners. Or, it might be welcomed. As compared to the Razor 3, the Razor 4 has a stronger rocker from the forefoot, and one which doesn’t feel as natural for my stride. I’d love a Razor 4 with the same geometry underfoot as the Razor 3. Basically, a Razor 3 with HyperBurst Pro. HyperBurst Pro is so great, it doesn’t need the H-Plate.

Renee’s score: 9.4/10 (-.25 forefoot firmness/rocker, -.15 not an upgrade, -.20 too similar to the Excess 2)


Steve: Skechers should celebrate by grabbing a shake (if the ice cream machine isn’t down) for providing another winner in the Razor line. 

This shoe will now compete with the Hoka Mach 5 in my rotation. The Hoka Mach 5 is plateless and is a bit softer, but I think the use of the shoes is quite similar. The Razor 4 is cushioned enough for easy runs and excels at tempo paces, it’s a very well rounded shoe. 

As Renee said it is closer to the ride and feel of the Excess 2, which is a shoe I enjoy quite a bit. The rocker design of the HyperArc works well with my stride and delivers easy turnover. The HyperBurst Pro foam is a clear upgrade in responsiveness, so if you’re in the market for a Razor with a bit more fun, reach for the Razor 4!

Steve’s score: 9.2/10 (Value 10, Ride 9, Style 9)


Peter: I really thought I’d love these, but over time they’ve left me feeling kind of beat up and not wanting to take them out on daily runs. They’re good looking, fit well and are good at tempo. As a daily trainer I prefer something a little softer and more forgiving. I think Skechers has other shoes in their lineup that suit me better: The Razor 3, the Skechers Excess 2 and the Speed Elite for racing. 

Peter’s Score 8.5/10


Jacob: The Razor 4 is a solid uptempo daily trainer with a comfortable upper and quick-moving ride—in general, it's another great shoe from Skechers. The upper is softer and more accommodating than most, if not all Skechers I have run in. 

It’s a top choice for a relatively lightweight, springy, medium-cushion and firmness, rocker-type shoe. 

The price and likely high durability (due to TPU midsole and thick outsole) lead to a good value. I think it works best at faster paces—good for endurance and up—not easy running, because they encourage speed. I think it would work best as a longer workout shoe or a moderate steady run shoe, but could work as a do-it-all daily trainer. 

The primary con for me is that compared to competitors (I’m thinking of the ASICS Novablast 3, Saucony Endorphin Speed, and New Balance Rebel v2, 3), the ride doesn’t feel as natural or smooth. Still, it’s a good shoe and I will get a lot of use out of it.

Jacob’s Score: 8.9/10

Ride: 8.5 (50%) Fit: 9 (30%) Value: 10 (15%) Style 9 (5%)


10 Comparisons

Index to all RTR reviews: HERE

Razor Excess 2 (RTR Review)

Renee: Basically the same shoe. The Razor 4 is lighter (not by much) than the Excess 2. The ride and fit are almost identical. I think the Hyperburst Pro midsole feels better for distance runs and overall might be a more responsive ride. I’m not a fan of the H-Plate in either shoe, I think it dulls the ride. Both shoes have a forefoot rocker.  I wish the Razor 4 provided a more traditional and flexible ride. A runner would not need both shoes.

Steve: As Renee said, you don’t need the Excess 2 and the Razor 4 as they are quite similar. The Hyperburst Pro is definitely an upgrade and provides a snappier ride. You can’t go wrong either way, but the Razor 4 is more fun and responsive. 

Peter: I’d take the Excess 2 over the Razor 4. Snappier for me and a better workout shoe. Neither shoe is really good for long runs.

Skechers Persistence (RTR Review)

Renee: The Persistence has Skechers’ UltraFlight light EVA midsole, and not Hyperburst Pro. Both midsole foams are lightweight and responsive, although the HyperBurst Pro foam delivers superior performance. The Persistence, although still lightweight, is heavier and better suited as a daily trainer. For speed and performance, the Razor 4 wins. 

Steve: The fit of the Persistence is not as secure as the Razor 4. The heel counter and upper is more plush on the Persistence. The UltraFight midsole and larger stack makes for a softer ride, more suitable for easy longer runs. The weight difference is noticeable as the Persistence is a bit heavier than the Razor 4. 

Skechers Razor + (RTR Review)

The Razor + is 1.6 oz lighter and sits on a lower 27/23 platform. It does not have the H Plate of the Razor 4.

Renee: For the record, I prefer the Razor 3 over the Razor +. The midsole felt more responsive yet was still good for distance runs. Both the Razor 3 and Razor + have a more traditional ride as compared to the Razor 4. I much prefer the MStrike of the old Razors. The ArchFit, HyperArc, and H-Plate of the Razor 4 deliver a rocker-ride, which is not my personal preference. The Razor 4 is a heavier shoe with less ground feel, but it’s still light compared to other brands’ shoes with similar stack heights and rubber coverage. 

ASICS Evoride 2 (RTR Review)

Renee: I tested the Evoride 2. I liked the shoe, but overall I prefer a more traditional shoe and the Evoride 2 had too much of a rocker for me. The Razor 4 has the same forefoot-rocker ride, although it’s less pronounced. For its lighter weight and more responsive midsole, the Razor 4 is the better shoe.

Saucony Endorphin Speed 1 (RTR Review

Steve: I put a ton of miles on my original Saucony Endorphin Speeds, which at the time was the best all around vertile trainer in my opinion. The upper disappeared on foot, it was soft and very breathable (oh so dreamy). The Speed was the perfect combo of lightness and cushioning. The Nylon plate in the Endorphin Speed added some nice responsiveness without being too harsh, which in the Razor 4’s case the H-plate makes it a bit firm feeling up front and you sacrifice a little comfort to gain some snap off the ground. 

Jacob: The Endorphin Speed is like a faster, more polished version of the Razor 4. They have a similar vibe with a medium-firm, high-rebound midsole and forefoot rocker. The Endorphin Speed fit is more locked-in, it’s lighter, quicker to rebound, and has more of a super-shoe vibe. The Razor 4 has a more relaxed fit and less explosive ride. Both are durable though the Razor 4 has better wet traction. I think the Endorphin Speed is a more fun and performant shoe overall, but costs $30 more and with a full-length plate may not be as good a choice for daily training. 

Puma Deviate Nitro 2

Renee: I just started testing the Deviate Nitro 2, review soon. The Nitro 2 is a full ounce heavier in my women’s size 8 as compared to the Razor 4. The carbon plate of the Nitro 2 is felt under the entire foot, although it’s not necessarily a faster shoe because of its heavier weight. The ride of the Nitro 2 is more traditional. While I prefer lower drop shoes, I like the traditional ride with 8mm drop of the Nitro 2 as compared to the more rockered ride of the Razor 4 with its 4mm drop. The PumaGrip outsole of the Nitro is tough to beat on dirt/gravel, although it might be overkill for road runners. For steady paces, I’d prefer the Nitro 2. For uptempo or speed workouts, I prefer the Razor 4. 

New Balance Rebel v3 (RTR Review)

Renee: The Rebel v2 and the Razor 3 are two of my favorite non-plated road shoes. Both equally great. While I prefer the Rebel v2 over the Rebel v3 (read the review above), the Rebel v3 still beats out the new Razor 4. The Rebel v3 has a more traditional, flexible ride underfoot whereas the Razor 4 has more of a forefoot rocker (not my preference). I think the HyperBurst Pro midsole is better suited for long runs, although I find the forefoot dull/too firm because of the H-plate.

Peter: The  Rebel v3 and the Skechers Razor 4 both just miss the mark for me. In a pinch I’d take the Rebel v3. The Razor 4 is a firmer and less fun update of the Razor 3 and the Rebel v3 is a firmer and less fun version of the Rebel V2. Go grab sale versions of the Razor 3 and the Rebel v2!

Jacob: Both are modern lightweight uptempo trainers. The Razor 4 is heavier and has more structure, less flexibility, and much more forefoot rocker. The Rebel v3 has more ground feel, is softer, bouncier, and less stable. I prefer the Rebel v3 ride due to the more natural feel with less midsole or upper structure, leading to a more free running experience. However I like the stability and geometry of the Razor 4 for faster running and workouts. For daily training and if I had to pick one, I’d go with the Rebel v3, but the Razor 4 has some strengths.

Hoka Mach 5 (RTR Review)

Steve: The Mach 5 has a better upper which basically disappears on foot. The Mach 5 is plateless and is a bit softer underfoot with its ProFly+ midsole. The Mach 5 and Razor 4 are both pretty snappy and handle a variety of paces well. I have the Mach 5 as my daily trainer of the year candidate, but the Razor 4 comes pretty close. The Mach 5 just slightly gets the edge because of the added bounce and touch of softness underfoot. 

Peter: Here Steve and I agree! The Mach 5 is a slightly softer, more forgiving and ultimately more fun daily trainer!

Nike Pegasus Turbo Next Nature (RTR Review)

Steve: One thing I can say for sure is that the Razor 4 is much more responsive and more fun to run in. They both feel a little firm underfoot, but the Razor 4 provides a snappy toe-off due to the H-plate up front. Fit wise the length and room up front is quite similar between the two. Both uppers are pretty comfortable, but the Razor 4 is more breathable. The Peg NN doesn’t feel like a fast shoe, while the Razor 4 performs well at tempo paces.

Nike Pegasus Turbo 2 (RTR Review)

Steve: The Pegasus Turbo 2 feels lighter and more nimble on foot, compared to the Razor. The Peg Turbo 2 has enough ZoomX up front to provide a softer ride, while the Razor 4’s Hyperburst Pro feels a little firm due to the H-plate. They are both pretty snappy, but the Peg Turbo 2 just takes the edge on being a bit more well rounded. No surprise, the upper on the Razor 4 is much better, pretty much my only complaint about the Peg Turbo 2.

Asics Novablast 1, 2, 3 (RTR Review)

Jacob: Both are modern, relatively lightweight trainers, especially the Novablast 3. The Novablast is more cushioned, more flexible, softer, and much bouncier. It has no notable rocker. The Razor 4 is stiffer, has much more rocker, feels lower to the ground and is more stable. Both work well as daily trainers, but I find the Novablast more natural, especially at slower paces. I also prefer the higher lateral flexibility of the Novablast which likely contributes to its more natural ride.

Beer Pairing:

Steve: It was a pretty easy decision to pair the Skechers Razor 4 with Dovetail’s Dunkel after seeing the color combo I received on the Razor 4. Dovetail Brewery is located in the Ravenswood neighborhood of Chicago, IL. Often referred to as Malt Row it features multiple breweries within a few city blocks. A little info about Dovetail from their site;

‘Our goal is to produce beer of the highest quality similar to the level of craftsmanship found in fine woodworking. We are merging continental European styles and techniques with American creativity to produce the kind of beers found in small, family-run breweries in Europe.’

Skechers has always produced high quality products that perform and last. It’s the level of craftsmanship that these great companies both represent and that is apparent by the type of products they produce. Now let's get into the tasting notes!

The Dovetail Dunkel pours a nice dark amber brown with a lasting head and nice lacing retention. Sweet caramel malt and nutty aroma. Taste of brown bread, nice chocolate notes, light spice and a pleasant dry finish.

Steve’s Beer Score: 4.8/5

Tester Profiles

Renee is a former U. S. Marine journalist, which is when her enjoyment of running and writing started. She isn’t that awesome of a runner, but she tries really hard. Most of her weekly 50-60 miles take place on rural country roads in Nebraska, meaning mud, gravel, dirt, hills, and the occasional field. She has PR’s of 1:30:59 for the half marathon and 3:26:45 for the marathon.

Steve: A former high school track runner, turned physique competitor who then  jumped back on the running scene. Currently running 20-30 miles per week, my most recent race times are 36:07 for 8k and 47:12 10k. I am 6’0 175lbs and in my mid 30’s. I am a husband, dog dad, craft beer enthusiast and a big time shoe geek!

The GO Run Razor 4 will be available late October 2022

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Steve said...


Irwin said...

Dang. Was hoping for the return of the Razor 3 experience. The Razor Excess series, with hyperarc and archfit, was not enjoyable. RTR team, what would you consider to be the closest to Razor 3 out there? Kinvara 13 has some close numbers?
RTR is the best!

Unknown said...

It appears that Renee and I (a former Marine as well) have almost identical feelings about the Skechers Razor 3/+. It is my favorite running shoe of all time. I can take a new pair right out of the box and straight into a 20 mile long run or any distance race. I can use them as a daily trainer as well as for tempo, intervals, speed, fartleks. Essentially it's my everything shoe. The M-Strike has the best geometry for my running style with an aggressive midfoot to forefoot stike. I prefer the natural feeling ride of the shoe along with the low-drop.

I had high hopes for the Razor 4, but after reading her comments on the new I will have to scour the internet to buy up every Razor+ I can find. haha..sad but true.

I do have a pair of Razor Excess 2 and have used them up to 18 miles. They are ok, but not as fun to run in as the Razor+. Not a fan of HyperArc and its rockered feel, the H-plate just feels like its in the way, and definitely DO NOT like ArchFit. I have natural flat feet, so I do not require any level of arch support, even if Skechers claims it to be mild. I "fixed" ArchFit but cutting out the arch support part of the insole.

So Skechers, if you happen to read this somehow... please release an update to the Razor 3/+ without HyperArc, ArchFit or the H-plate, but use the new upper and the new Hyperburst Pro with the M-Strike geometry. Not everyone wants, nor needs, nor likes all these plated shoes that all other companies are releasing. Please stick to the basis, or at least release a version for your OG fans.

Steve said...

Maybe the Hoka Mach 5 or New Balance Rebel 2 or 3 (although the Rebel will be softer)

Unknown said...

Thank you for the recommendations Steve. I will give the Rebel 3 a try. I have tried several different Hokas and their midsole foam compresses too much by 100-120 miles. They end up feeling like bricks and the outsole is torn up. I take my Skechers Razor+ to 450-500 miles on concrete/asphalt without issues.

Steve said...

Anytime! And Skechers are legit, I keep telling everyone lol. Cheers!

Anonymous said...

I like the razor 4 much more than the 3. yes the 3 was more like my old racing flats, but i think the hyberburstvpro has much more rebound. Note that it took probably 50 miles for the bounce to really develop - felt okay but not terribly responsive until then. I am finding that with my recent TPU shoes. using Saucony Triumph for longer runs. Only started feeling rebound after the 5th or 6th time out…