Sunday, February 28, 2021

New Balance Fresh Foam More v3 Multi Tester Review

Article by Jeff Beck, Sally Reiley, and Sam Winebaum

New Balance Fresh Foam More v3 ($165)

Introduction

Jeff: The Fresh Foam More has been New Balance’s attempt to make a Hoka trainer - and not one of the pared down Hokas like the Clifton or Rincon, welcome to Bondi Country. Unapologetically cushioned, the FFMv3 gets closer to that dream than either of its two predecessors, by taking it’s already well-cushioned sibling the 1080 and adding even more to the midsole. The result is one of the softest shoes on the market, with a pillowy midsole made to pamper the legs and feet during the run. If you’ve been looking for the softest shoe around, this shoe needs to be up for consideration..


Sam: The More is clearly New Balance’s most massively cushioned trainer with a giant 29mm forefoot / 33mm heel stack height. It is well named! 


Quite frankly it is a model I struggled with in its first two editions. Version 1 was flat and ponderous. Version 2 improved the ride with more flex but its thin engineered mesh upper was quite crude in feel for a $160 shoe. It had a minimal molded heel counter which help reduce weight to an admirable 9.25 oz for what is a giant stack but it wasn’t quite as smooth running or polished as I would like, even for a giant stack shoe not to speak of a premium priced one. 


More v3  gets a soft engineered mesh upper, a real heel counter, a yet wider platform, an increased rocker, and a far more zonal outsole pattern than the slab like outsoles of prior versions. The weight returns to the reasonable 10 oz / 284 g weight of the original in my US size 9 sample. Fearing an overly soft and mushy ride I went into the testing with some trepidation but came out very pleased with the update. Please read on to find out more!

Sally: The Fresh Foam More 3 is just that: MORE. This is one massive Hoka-esque shoe with an abundance of Fresh Foam cushioning underfoot. Will it run like a soft marshmallow, or will it be that sweet well cushioned ride we all look for? Spoiler alert: I think I am in love.


PROS

Massive cushion Sam/Jeff/Sally

Inherent stability from broad platform Sam/Jeff/Sally

Smooth and fast for such a broad, massive, soft and bouncy shoe. Sam/Sally

Very decent weight to cushion ratio Sam/Jeff

Upper worthy of a $165 premium shoe Sam



CONS

Gains weight (0.75 oz ) but still only 10 oz  Sam

Requires a few runs of break in for flex to get past the broad midfoot  Sam/Sally

Inherent stability is overdone for me but those seeking a non posted approach will be very happy.  Jeff

Tons of soft squish but very little rebound/bounce back   Jeff

Massive Hoka-like (is that an adjective?) appearance. Sally



Stats

Weight: men's 10 oz  / 284g (US9)  /  women's 8.7 oz / 246 g  (US8)

  Samples: men’s 10 oz / 284g (US9) | 10.9 / 308g (US10.5)

                  women’s: 8.7 oz / 246 g (US8)

More v2 weighed 9.25 oz / 262g (US9)

Stack Height: 29mm forefoot / 33mm heel (4mm drop)

Available May 2021. $165


Tester Profiles

Jeff B. is the token slow runner of the RTR lineup as such his viewpoints on shoe and gear can differ from those who routinely finish marathons in three hours or less. Jeff runs 40 miles per week, both roads and desert trails in Phoenix, Arizona. He has a PR's of 4:07 marathon and 5K at 23:39. In December 2019 he raced his first 50 mile trail ultra. 


Sally is a lifelong runner and mother of five who ran her first marathon at age 54, and has now run the past seven Boston Marathons and one Chicago, with a 2017 Boston PR of 3:29, good for 8th in her age group. Along the way she has raised over $240,000 for Massachusetts Eye and Ear Hospital running with Team Eye and Ear. To commemorate her 60th birthday she ran the NYC Marathon in November 2019 finishing 2nd in her age group with a PR time of 3:28:39.  Sally is a compact (petite) runner at 5’2’’ and 105 pounds.


Sam is the Editor and Founder of Road Trail Run. He is 63 with a 2018 3:40 Boston qualifier. Sam has been running for over 48 years and has a 2:28 marathon PR. These days he runs halves in the just sub 1:40 range training 30-40 miles per week mostly at moderate paces on the roads and trails of New Hampshire and Utah. He is 5’9” tall and weighs about 164 lbs.


First Impressions and Fit

Jeff: “It’s like the 1080 got stung by a bee.” There’s no denying it, the Fresh Foam More v3 (or FFMv3) is nearly the spitting image of its much more popular little brother (RTR Review), just much, much bigger as it has 3mm more heel stack and 7mm more forefoot stack and is a 4mm drop shoe vs the 8mm drop 1080 . 


New Balance may have recently learned the phrase “bigger is better” because they leaned hard into bigger. I reviewed the 1st iteration of the FFM, and it was an interesting shoe in a number of ways - big stack but pretty firm - this shoe is very different. There’s no ambiguity here, the FFMv3 doesn’t try for high performance, it’s all about the comfort.


Sam: Massive in appearance with a giant stack height and broader platform, my More is in shades of blue with yellow highlights which are similar to the 880v11 and has a similar yet softer and very pliable feel to the thin upper mesh. Deluxe! 

This pleasant feeling and fitting new upper is in sharp contrast to the rough and kind of crude feel of More v2’s thin engineered mesh upper, gusset tongue to hold it to the foot and its mostly un padded molded heel and collars 

The molded front of the tongue and cord loops for two of the eyelets are nice luxe highlights. I wondered how the tongue would stay put in such a soft upper with no gusset tongue in the mix. 

The stack height appearance is toned down by a lighter blue at the top of the midsole which is also used to highlight the corded lace loops. All in all the look and feel is luxurious and seems worthy of its now $165 price tag ($5 more than v2).


I was sent a half size up from my normal US8.5 and while the fit is fine I would stay true to size in a next pair. 


My first run was not great. The broad midfoot platform was really noticed and seemed to get in the way of transitions. This changed to a smooth flow and no sense of an overly broad midfoot by the 3d run as the More got some flex.

Sally: My first impression was of course a reaction to the massive Mack Truck appearance of this shoe. Is this a Hoka with a different upper? Paired with my delicate (okay, bird-like… actually, go ahead and call them skinny) legs, these shoes are massive. But slip your foot in, and wow, such luxurious comfort! They fit true to size for my W8, though plenty spacious with a generous midfoot and forefoot. I can imagine these would fit a wider foot well, but they still hold my low-volume foot securely. Everything about this shoe feels great right out of the box.

Upper

Jeff: The best uppers disappear on the foot, and this one is nearly transparent in that regard. New Balance got this one right. The heel cup is nicely shaped (something I no longer take for granted after the 1080v11), midfoot hold is good, toebox is plenty wide and tall, the tongue is well cushioned without feeling bulky, and it’s breathable enough. I don’t have any gripes about the upper, every element works well. 


Sam:  I agree with Jeff above. 

A mighty fine premium upper here with the crude and rough feeling v2's and minimal heel counter replaced by a very soft engineered mesh and a stout and comfortable heel counter and collars.

My only gripe is some tongue rotation for my narrower right foot. Given how soft and pliable the upper is,  I think the More might benefit from either a gusset or moving  the lace holder loop up for narrower feet. 

Sally: I agree that New Balance really nailed it with this upper. Attractive, breathable, not overly complicated,soft and somewhat stretchy, functional and well padded tongue, flat land stretchy aces that hold, and well cushioned but not overly so heel collar - all elements of this upper are well thought out and well executed. No concerns here!


Midsole

Jeff: It’s big, it’s wide, it’s soft. There has never been this much FreshFoam X put underneath the foot, and the result is exactly what you think it might be. Few shoes are this soft, yet, I don’t believe many runners will have stability complaints. The platform width takes care of that, as well as a substantial rubber outsole strip along the medial side of the midfoot. 

It’s not a post by any means, but it’s much more structured than the lateral side. Many of the other big-volume/high-stacked shoes that have been on the market for the last few years create a stable platform with a firmer midsole material. New Balance went soft and squishy, with the right placement of rubber to combat any issues.

Sam: Indeed very wide on the ground, soft and squishy with yet more platform width than v2. The More has truly bottomless forgiving cushion.


While I don’t think the Fresh Foam X is softer than v2’s foam, the more zonal rubber vs the near full coverage outsole of the prior version clearly makes the shoe softer and more flexible. 

More v2 outsole

And softer and more flexible than the 1080v11 which while lower stack also has the more full coverage outsole. 


The inherent stability is there but in no way noticed, after the first couple runs that is until the shoe starts to get a long flex with a distinct near midfoot quite snappy flex point, nice.


The medial side stability (above) is achieved by the broad platform but also through the use of large convex shapes on the medial midsole sidewalls with the lateral (below) having large laser engraved concave ones for some give. Classic Fresh Foam geometry amplified here I found the combination highly effective. 

This is the bounciest and softest Fresh Foam trainer I have tested. It is not super, super bouncy as say the Invincible or Rebel v2 but it is very pleasant and noticeable in its energy “return” particularly as the pace picks up (for me 9:20 per mile and below) when the shoe flexes just ahead of midfoot and you are off the heel. In a more muted, broader and considerably more stable way it reminds me somewhat of the bounce of the Skechers Max Road at faster paces. 


I did not find the softness energy sapping or overdone although at slower paces it is a bit more ponderous in feel with the heel feeling lower but not nearly as low feeling as the Skechers Max Road at the same heel to toe drop I think due to the More's wrap around bulging heel geometry.

Sally: There is a lot of midsole here, meaning lots of Fresh Foam, and I love every bit of it. I am not typically a fan of the maximum cushioned shoes, but this one is different. It is soft and well cushioned, but the combination of all this Fresh Foam paired with a rocker geometry makes for a surprisingly responsive and smooth ride. Landings are soft, but the forward pep is there. Bear in mind I am fairly light on my feet at about 105 pounds, but I did not ever feel like I was sinking into a marshmallow midsole.


Outsole

Jeff: The outsole has a mixture of exposed midsole and segmented rubber. In theory that helps the shoe with flexibility, but the massive midsole stack is the bigger part of that equation. What the outsole does provide is pretty good traction, with sticky rubber that wasn’t slippery, even on wet pavement. Unfortunately, like many other shoes it has exposed midsole along the lateral side of the midfoot, right where I tend to land, so in time I could see that being a premature failure point for me - but if you aren’t a midfoot supinator it shouldn’t be an issue for you.


Sam: Finally a segmented more zonal outsole from New Balance in this model and in a Fresh Foam trainer. The full coverage outsoles contributed to stiffness and early on excessive firmness in just about every model. Not only does this zonal outsole help keep the weight in check but I think it clearly also contributes to the bounce and flex of the shoe compared to the stiffer, harder to move earlier More’s full coverage outsole which tried to get more flex through some grooves. 

Sally: This outsole successfully checks off several of my essential boxes: it provides good traction on wet surfaces, it is fairly quiet underfoot (my pet peeve is a loud slappy outsole, think Adidas SL20 or Nike Tempo Next %) , it is flexible, and it does not capture small stones and gravel in the treads. Durability is also a requirement that usually takes time to test, but I see no potential issues. This outsole works for me.


Ride

Jeff: This is where the shoe is lacking for me, because it’s soft and squishy, but that’s it. There’s very little bounce to it, and the gait cycle feels incomplete. Especially coming right on the heels of the Nike Invincible (it’s legendary bounce is so pronounced it makes many other shoes feel flat), the lack of response in this shoe is disappointing. As a result, it’s a great shoe when you want to run especially slow and easy, because anything more than that feels like trying to hammer in a nail with the handle of a screwdriver.


Sam: Strange...I disagree with Jeff for a change. While a bit ponderous at easy paces when I get to my slower to moderate tempo paces (sub 9 minute miles down to higher 7’s), the shoe comes alive with lots of bounce to go with great forefoot stability. With a 4mm drop and the very broad platform getting a long flex early is vital to keep the shoe from being ponderous and here New Balance pulled it off very well and especially so at  faster paces. 

A super fun ride. I agree with Jeff that the More is not the most responsive-usually response for me is brought on by outsole rubber coverage and firmness as well as midsole firmness. New Balance tried for more response in the v2 (through the outsole coverage) and for me it didn’t work as well as the bounce here with the new more segmented outsole in the mix. It is unusual for me that such a massively cushioned shoe can serve multiple purposes but this one does from daily training to moderate tempo although I would reach for something firmer for more back on the heels recovery runs (due mainly to the low drop and broad platform)  and for faster tempo runs say the mighty fine Rebel v2 (RTR Review) and for longer runs the TC.




Sally: This outsole successfully checks off several of my essential boxes: it provides good traction on wet surfaces, it is fairly quiet underfoot (my pet peeve is a loud slappy outsole, think Adidas SL20 or Nike Tempo Next %) , it is flexible, and it does not capture small stones and gravel in the treads. Durability is also a requirement that usually takes time to test, but I see no potential issues. This outsole works for me.


Ride

Jeff: This is where the shoe is lacking for me, because it’s soft and squishy, but that’s it. There’s very little bounce to it, and the gait cycle feels incomplete. Especially coming right on the heels of the Nike Invincible (it’s legendary bounce is so pronounced it makes many other shoes feel flat), the lack of response in this shoe is disappointing. As a result, it’s a great shoe when you want to run especially slow and easy, because anything more than that feels like trying to hammer in a nail with the handle of a screwdriver.


Sam: Strange...I disagree with Jeff for a change. While a bit ponderous at easy paces when I get to my slower to moderate tempo paces (sub 9 minute miles down to higher 7’s), the shoe comes alive with lots of bounce to go with great forefoot stability. With a 4mm drop and the very broad platform getting a long flex early is vital to keep the shoe from being ponderous and here New Balance pulled it off very well and especially so at  faster paces. 

A super fun ride. I agree with Jeff that the More is not the most responsive-(usually response for me is brought on by outsole rubber coverage and firmness as well as midsole firmness. New Balance tried for more response in the v2 (through the outsole coverage)  and for me it didn’t work as well as the bounce here with the new more segmented outsole in the mix. It is unusual for me that such a massively cushioned shoe can serve multiple purposes but this one does from daily training to moderate tempo although I would reach for something firmer for more back on the heels recovery runs (due mainly to the low drop and broad platform)  and for faster tempo runs (more response or bounce,  less cushion, less weight), say the mighty fine Rebel v2 (RTR Review)


Sally: Wow, do I get to be the tie breaker here? Drum roll please… I am on Team Sam here. I really enjoy the soft rocker-like ride of this shoe. I did not find it squishy at all, and to the contrary, I thought it fairly peppy and responsive despite its weight and cushioning. It would clearly not be my choice for a tempo run or race, but it is an ideal choice for long easy runs or marathon training recovery runs.They respond surprisingly well when you pick up the pace, so don’t hold back! Heck, I have found myself reaching for them for everyday everything! They are superbly comfortable, smooth, and soft without being bottomless, and simply a delight underfoot.

Conclusions and Recommendations


Jeff: The Fresh Foam More v3 is a major step forward from previous iterations of the Fresh Foam More, but it lacks the versatility to make it regular big mileage daily trainer. The upper is well designed and executed, and the midsole is soft with tons of squish, creating a soft ride. My issue is that it’s too soft of a ride, and creates a very niche role for this shoe - a few recovery miles the day after a marathon - and that’s it. I’m usually the one clamoring for a softer and more protected ride, but in this case, too much of a good thing is still too much. And with a $165 price tag, that’s a lot of money for a very limited shoe.

Jeff’s Score 7.8 / 10

Ride: 7 (50%) Fit: 10 (30%) Value: 6 (15%) Style: 8 (5%)


Sam: With a superb deluxe upper truly worthy of its premium pricing, a soft, bouncy and fast ride with endless cushion and enough flex (from the geometry and outsole) to get past the inherent stability and with a more pronounced and effective rocker, the More v3 is a very fine update which at long last puts the model squarely in the top tier of the max cushion game, with both daily training and recovery run capabilities, all at a weight of barely over  10 oz.  


Neutral runners (such as I am) should have no problem with the “inherent stability” from the broader platform (after a few runs of break in and particularly as pace picks up) while those seeking a postless, gimmick less stability option should find decent stability here. Heavier runners may struggle with the softness. I weigh about 165 lbs and tend to heel strike but only momentarily.


At $165 they are up there in price for a single slab of foam type shoe even though you do get a lot of fine Fresh Foam X for the money!  I do wonder if the increased platform width and its weight (although we are still barely over 10oz) is worth it, at least for me as a more neutral runner. For stability purposes and narrower feet such as mine a bit more upper support might also be a relatively minor improvement.

Sam’s Score: 9.2 / 10 

Ride: 9.4 (50%) Fit: 9.2  (30%) Value: 8.5 (15%) Style: 9 (5%)


Sally: This updated Fresh Foam More 3 is the first max cushion shoe that I have delighted in, and I confess to really loving the soft rocker-like ride. It is a supremely comfortable shoe that cushions your every stride while smoothly rolling you forward. Yes, it is massive in appearance, especially the wide platform, but it is still aesthetically attractive. I see this shoe as a wonderful daily trainer for those who prefer the more max cushioned shoe, and a wonderful easy run/recovery run shoe for others. Pair this with the NB Rebel v2, my favorite daily trainer so far of 2021, and you basically have all of the bases covered. This shoe will remain a favorite in my rotation for sure!

Sally’s score: 9.3 / 10

Ride: 9.4 (50%)   Fit: 9.6 (30%)  Value: 8.5% (15%)   Style: 8.7 (5%) 



Comparisons

Index to all RTR reviews: HERE


New Balance 1080v11 (RTR Review)

Jeff:There might not be a clearer Big Brother/Little Brother lineup in the running shoe world than these two. Similar construction materials, even looks, they can be a solid 1-2 punch of every day trainer (1080) and easy day recovery shoe (FFM). Not for me, the shape of the heel of the 1080v11 changed just enough from the v10 to make it painful to run in, but the v10 is a solid daily trainer.

Sam: The More is.. more shoe than the 1080 while based on a similar rocker based geometry and Fresh Foam midosole  It has a better fit with no minimal molded heel counter. At 30/22 stack for the 1080 vs. 33 /29 for the More is more (that word again) cushioned, softer and bouncier, with a bit easier and longer flex and toe off in large part which I think is due to its longer rocker from its segmented outsole. The 1080 never inspired me much and sits in between max cushion and more agile daily trainer while the More is resolutely big cush (recovery)  with the ability to move along (daily training).

Sally: The minimal molded heel counter in the 1080 was a deal breaker for me. I will go with More More More for every run because of that alone.


adidas Ultraboost 21 (RTR Review)

Jeff: The dual of big stack high-dollar flawed daily trainers. The UB21 downfall is the geometry (and the extreme weight, but that’s not my gripe) and placement of a plastic plate just inside of the outsole, the FFMv3 is ultimately too soft. In this battle? Go FFMv3, at least the easy runs will be enjoyable.

Sam: So much heavier the UB 21… I don’t mind its aggressive stiff geometry and firmer ride at all but the weight at 2.7 oz more than More  is the showstopper in this comparison. 


Hoka Bondi 7 (RTR Review)

Hard to have a list of comparisons without the original “No compromises/tons of cushion” running shoe. They have the same 29/33 stack height, but the the Bondi 7 weighs 1.4 oz / 40 g more, and while Hoka has some interesting midsole materials, the current Bondi, especially compared to the FFMv3, feels a little dated. Not to mention, it’s still a Hoka toebox, so at best it’s...okay. The FFMv3 is softer, and has a better platform - if you want pure cushioning, there’s a new king of the hill, and has a giant N on the side.


Brooks Glycerin 19  (RTR Review)

Jeff: While the Brooks doesn’t have nearly the stack height of the NB, it is almost as soft and plush as the FFM - but it has a great bounce to it. The Glycerin 19 is one of the best big daily trainers ever made, and brings much more versatility than the FFM.


Mizuno Wave Sky Neo (RTR Review)

Jeff: Both big cushion premium trainers, but they come at it from different angles. NB is softer and has a looser fitting upper, but bottoms out. Mizuno, true to form, is firmer, more responsive, but heavier. If you want exclusively an easy day shoe, hard to go wrong with the FFM, but if you want an easy day shoe that can also be an everyday trainer, check out the WSN.


Nike React Infinity Flyknit 2 (RTR Review)

Jeff: Released last year, the React Infinity has a litany of issues for me - major arch pressure and heel slip are the majors - and while I’d prefer a more versatile shoe in the FFM, it takes the cake for me over the problematic Nike.

Sam: Same as Jeff. The long side rails on both sides of the Infinity are supposed to stabilize the knees more than the feet (pronations) on what is already a broad platform. The rails and especially the lateral side ones are are in the way of transitions for me, and noticeably so.  More delivers some stability for my neutral needs with a touch of stability far more elegantly. No contest.


Nike ZoomX Invincible Flyknit (RTR Review)

Jeff: If you have been paying attention to various social media platforms, you’ve likely seen me making a lot of noise about just how good this shoe is. It’s virtually as soft and plush as the FFM, but there’s a bounce back that happens right as you bottom out that makes it an incredible shoe for virtually all paces, instead of the Lincoln Town Car designed for leisurely Sunday strolls. No comparison, the Invincible is in a different class for only a $15 increase in price.

Sam: The Invincible is softer, springier, and essentially as cushioned at about the same weight. It has a super fun and exciting ride which the More doesn’t quite deliver as decisively. Invincible’s upper isn’t quite as polished but is a touch more secure. It relies on a far forward very flexible and soft final toe off, while More has a long rocker with a further to the rear flex point. Invincible is more dynamic and exciting if you don’t need the touch "more" stability the More can provide. 


Sally: Two great soft shoes, similar but different. As Jeff waxes so poetically, the Invincible is a pretty special and uniquely fun shoe, soft and cushioned like the More but somehow more bouncy and energized. It’s like the More was the pretty gal at the party that everyone was eyeing, until that supermodel walked in the room. The Invincible is simply that good, unfortunately for the still fine More 3.



Saucony Endorphin Shift (RTR Review)

Jeff: This one’s a bit of a wildcard - the Endorphin Shift is very similar stack height to the FFM, but very firm with a pronounced rocker. I normally prefer a softer shoe, but the Endorphin Shift works, and works well for most runs, though not great for the super easy stuff that the FFM excels at.


Sam: Jeff describes the match up and differences well. I prefer the Shift quick and snappy final toe off and yet superior heel area stability. The More’s advantage is its softer bouncier feel at moderately fast paces while Shift’s more responsive feel, consistent stride after stride rolling geometry and firmer midsole makes it a better choice for longer hard runs. 


Saucony Triumph 18 (RTR Review)

Jeff: Saucony’s other high stacked trainer, the Triumph uses their more premium midsole material, PWRRUN+ and the cushioning is very effective. The FFM has a much softer forefoot, which is more comfortable, but doesn’t have the same smooth ride the T18 has. 

Sam: I find the 1 ounce heavier T18 flat feeling and ponderous in comparison to the More.

The Fresh Foam More v3 releases May 2021

Tested samples were provided at no charge for review purposes. No other compensation was received by RTR or the authors from New Balance. The opinions herein are entirely the authors'.

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13 comments:

Jeff said...

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semmtex said...

Do you think it's worth taking the Invincible over these even this has much better expected durability?

Sam Winebaum said...

Hi semmtex,
Not sure one can say the Invincible will be any less durable yet but suspect maybe a touch less in very front outsole area at that thinner patch It comes down to ride preferences really.
Sam, Editor

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Jeff said...

Semmtex,

I think it's easily worth the $15 upgrade. I agree with Sam, I'm not sold that ZoomX is actually less durable when used like this. From what I've experienced firsthand and read of others' accounts, ZoomX is somewhat fragile if directly exposed. The first gen Vaporfly 4% had little patches of rubber around the heel, the rest was exposed, and that exposed foam got torn up quickly. I don't land in the heel, except when walking, and just in walking warmup have seen a fair amount of wear and scuffs on that shoe. The Invincible has a very comprehensive outsole to protect it, so I wouldn't imagine they'll wear out much faster. I'm just about to break 100 miles on my pair, and they have the same bounce (if not more) than when they showed up 6 weeks ago.

Jimmy said...

Mach 4 comparison?

Sam Winebaum said...

Hi Jimmy,
A good one to compare. The Mach 4 is considerably lighter, more agile and also softly cushioned. It is not as stable and does not quite have the max cushion of the More with a 29/24 stack height vs. 33/29 here. It is a better daily trainer choice for me.
Sam, Editor

Jimmy said...

Thanks Sam, I think I will give the Mach 4 a try.

semmtex said...

Thank you, so Invincible it is :D
Without Nike More would be max cushion trainer of the year finally dethroning Hokas

misterdangerpants said...

I'm actually really excited about this shoe. I've been wearing the Bondi for the last few versions and actually like it as a long run trainer/recovery shoe. I even ran the 2019 Baystate Half in them and got a PR at the time. I tried both versions 1 & 2 of the FF More and didn't like either. This version looks to be markedly improved and I'm excited for the release. I'm 56 and look more for comfort these days and the FF More v3 just might give me that. Maybe even on race day too (though I'm quite attached to my Vaporfly NEXT%)!

Sam Winebaum said...

Hi Mr Dangerpants,
I ran 2019 Baystate Half but VF for me there, 1:39.01 if I recall. Yes More v3 is dramatically better and more fun than v1 and then v2. Comfort is the word and it can move along very nicely. So it goes from Cush daily training leaning long and recovery.
Keep on runnin’
Sam, Editor

Ajnumber9 said...

Hi RTR, how would this compare to the bouncy novablast please?

Sam Winebaum said...

Hi Ajnumber9,
It does compare to Nova Blast but is a bit less bouncy.. The More overall is far more stable than Novablast which works great if you haVe well aligned form as the platform, is narrower for sure on the ground and favors faster paces while More handles slower to quite fast better for me.
Sam, Editor

misterdangerpants said...

Thanks for the reply Sam. Baystate was a last minute decision. I intended to run it as a Boston qualifier but didn't get my act together (ran the 2020 Hyannis Marathon just a few months later and got a BQ time of 3:21). Even though I've been running since 2000, I was more of a casual runner until 2019. Since 2000, I've run Boston eight times as a charity runner and the Covered Bridges Half Marathon many, many times just for fun. I wanted to run Boston just once as a qualifier and I'm glad that's going to happen (qualified for NYC & Chicago also so psyched to runb those). Anyway, I ran in the FF Vongo 2 while training for Hyannis and a more cushioned version of that would be perfect in my book!