Xodus 10 ($150)
Introduction
The formerly near hiker Xodus sees the most significant changes making it a great new option for a super cushioned, more maximal trail cruiser and as we found out much more.. It drops a massive 2.3 oz / 65 g as the midsole changes from Everun to the plush new PWRUN+ expanded bead TPU foam which is said by Saucony to be 3x more durable and 3x less temperature sensitive than EVA, 2x as flexible, and 25% lighter and absorbing 5% more impact than Everun. It weighs 11.7 oz / 332 g men's, 10.5 oz / 298g women's with a 31.5mm heel 27.5mm stack, 4mm drop. Releases 2/1/20.
Pros
Jeff/Sam: Unrivaled versatility, as the Xodus 10 transitions seamlessly from technical mountain terrain, to easily doubling as a road running shoe.
Traction. Cushioning. Protection. Comfort. Secure Upper. Smooth Transition. Response.
Sam: a superbly smooth and quite energetic ride on all surfaces from technical trail to road from a very well matched midsole bounce and outsole firmness and the woven rock plate's protection and light propulsion.
Cons
Jeff/Sam: Still a bit on the heavy side, but a vast improvement over previous iterations and they run lighter than measured weight.
Stats
Official Weight: men's 11.7 oz / 332g :: women's 10.5 oz / 298 g
Samples: men's US9: 11.82 oz / 335g, men's US10: 12.25 oz / 346g
Stack Height: 31.5mm heel 27.5mm stack, 4mm drop.
Releases 2/1/20. $150
Tester Profiles
Jeff runs mostly on very steep technical terrain above Boulder often challenging well known local FKT's.
Sam is the Editor and Founder of Road Trail Run. He is 62 with a 2018 3:40 Boston qualifier. Sam has been running for over 45 years and has a 2:28 marathon PR. These days he runs halves in the just sub 1:40 range training 30-40 miles per week mostly at moderate paces on the roads and trails of New Hampshire and Utah. He is 5'10" tall and weighs about 165 lbs.
First Impressions and Fit
Jeff: I have run in a number of Xodus models over the years and have just been lukewarm on them, at least for running. Traditionally they have been comfortable, well protected and well cushioned, but the weight has crept up and up, to the point where they had essentially become more of a hiking shoe you could run in and not at all a shoe I would consider for dedicated trail running. That has changed entirely now with the Xodus 10, dropping ~2.3 ounces.
It is very evident when pulling them out of the box and upon sliding them on, that this is a completely revamped shoe. The Xodus 10 feels significantly lighter, more streamlined, flexible and more responsive. Fit is true to size, very secure, yet accommodatingly comfortable with room in the toe box for swelling and splay that should accommodate a wide range of feet without compromising security. The outsole is more versatile as well, reducing lug height from 6mm to 5mm and reconfiguring the tread design and adding locations for drilling in ice screws for traction or for drilling drainage holes.
Sam: I have nothing to add to what Jeff says above! I will add this is my first Xodus as prior versions in no way inspired me due to their weight. Given availability of samples I was sent a half size up from my normal 8.5 and the fit with medium socks is just about right, a touch roomy but very comfortable and secure. Saucony wisely “insisted” we test the Xodus alongside the Peregrine 10, including pairs with the Peregrine and I am super thankful they did!
Sam: As with all 2020 Saucony trail and road shoes ISO Fit is gone in favor of a simpler, lighter and yet more secure and light approach to uppers. I particularly like how well the welded overlays support without being noticed or constraining due to their great match in pliability.
Jeff: The high abrasion mesh upper is excellent, providing an amazing combination of fit, comfort, security, flexibility and breathability. The welded overlays provide very good support while the toe bumper integrates seamlessly with the wrap around rand for very good protection from rocks and minor splashing. The booty style well padded tongue is a nice touch adding to security, comfort and step in ease. The lacing is very precise and secure, though the flat laces are a touch on the thin side and require multiple knots to keep from untying. The heel counter is well structured and padded, providing great heel hold and stability.
Since I almost always run on technical trails and often venture off trail, secure foothold is a key factor for me, so I made a point to put the Xodus 10 through the ringer. Given how comfortable, non constraining and accommodating the Xodus upper is, I was very pleasantly surprised to find that there was hardly any give (if any really) when pushing hard on steep technical terrain, rock hopping, running straight down steep fall line, aggressive side hilling. My feet felt securely locked in, stable and I feel confident.
Other nice touches include the gaiter ring and lace keeper to keep the laces nicely in place.
Midsole
Sam: We first tested PWRUN+ in the road Triumph 17 and all our testers enjoyed the plush and energetic ride. I did too, but thought the outsole got in the way upfront as it was stiffer and the shoe was also somewhat back weighted at slower paces. Not so here on trail or..road.
PWRUN+, an expanded TPU bead foam similar to Boost and Everun in general make up, is a significant improvement over the heavy stiff Everun found in previous Saucony including the prior Xodus ISO 3.
In the photo above the beads seem more consistent in size than what we typically see in TPU bead midsoles. Saucony says this expanded TPU foam is 3x more durable and 3x less temperature sensitive than EVA, 2x as flexible (we saw that), and 25% lighter and absorbing 5% more impact than Everun. While I can’t quantify as Saucony does it sure feels that way. I particularly note that in cold conditions the midsole feel doesn’t seem to change.
The PWRUN+ midsole is at the same time plush and soft and also energetic with some nice well controlled and not sloppy bounce (looking at you Boost) and it is of course helped along by a well matched PWRTRAC outsole which with the woven rock plate is decently flexible. Unlike many, if not most trail shoes, there is no “slapping” on road or firmer trail which is the sign for me of just the right flexibility and outsole hardness. Shift from road to trail and back, no matter, where the midsole is well cushioned, energetic, stable and fun.
Jeff: The expanded TPU bead PWRRUN+ midsole is a huge improvement over the previous EVRRUN, as it is flexible, bouncy, lighter, softer and more responsive. I have to say I was a bit shocked as to how quick and responsive the Xodus 10 feels on the trails on uphill, downhill and flowy singletrack, it runs like a much lighter shoe and I often forget that I am indeed running in a maximal shoe, until I find myself running on rocks, hard downhills and pavement where I am well aware of all of the protection and absorbing cush this shoe is providing. Despite the 31.5/27.5 stack on 5mm lugs, the Xodus 10 with PWRRUN+ feels lower and more stable, and very predictable underfoot.
During my first run in the Xodus 10, I had a road approach to the trail and was very intrigued as to their road performance, they felt very smooth and the aggressive tread went unnoticed underfoot on the pavement. I then decided to dedicate a 10k road run to them (well, half hard frozen improved dirt path) and the other half cement path. Total shocker, as the Xodus 10 just cruises easy and easily cruises fast! They are bouncy, yet incredibly smooth and absorb shock so very well, without me feeling the least bit beat up during or after the run. I completely forget that I am running in a maximally cushioned/treaded trail beast (whose last version was really a heavy hiker).
Outsole
Jeff: The full length PWRTRAC outsole with woven rock plate provides very effective grip on a wide variety of surfaces. I have not yet had a slip or tentative moment running on rocky technical trails, dry or wet, steep and loose off trail, compacted snow, slush, mud, etc…. And the now lower profile 5mm lugs and revised lug pattern add to the versatility by performing very well on the road. In fact, I am not sure I have ever run in a shoe that transitions so well between road and trail, while being not just competent at each, but exceptionally good if not great at either and much of this is dependent upon this PWRTRAC outsole and it’s integration with the PWRRUN+ midsole.
Flexibility is very good, with excellent contouring and reasonable ground feel, while providing top notch rock/underfoot protection.
The outsole is truly any trail and road too. Quite amazing as the aggressive 5mm lugs do their job gripping snow and rock just as well as smoothly cruising road. I really appreciate the flexibility with rock protection here from the woven rock plate seen through the outsole in the picture below. It also includes locations for placing ice spikes/screws as well for drill out drainage holes. See below.
Ride
Jeff: The ride is very smooth, stable, responsive, well cushioned, yet not the least bit mushy on both road and trail.
Sam: Jeff is totally right. An uncanny combination of smoothness, quite bouncy cushion, and smooth flexibility on absolutely any terrain or for that matter road with impeccable stability and security. The ultimate road to any trail hybrid ride. In fact for me, the best maximally cushioned plush road ride to date and a great shoe for recovery runs and moderate paces on road.. Just wished they were lighter as while weight truly isn’t as noticeable as the scales would indicate it is there. Want less weight at a mere 8.8 oz / 249 g with the magic PWRUN+ ride, the woven rock plate and a BOA closure? I can wait for the Swtichback 2 (RTR Preview), also converted from Everun to PWRUN+ and coming later this year
Conclusions and Recommendations
Jeff: I am incredibly impressed with the Xodus 10, not just from the perspective that it is a huge advancement for the Xodus model, but this shoe is supremely versatile. First and foremost, this is a trail shoe and does that job remarkably well, perfect for full days on your feet, Ultra distance events, short runs, high mountains, technical trail, off-trail, door to trail, you name it, the Xodus 10 does it well. As an additional bonus, the Xodus 10 runs remarkably well on the road and while not road shoe, can cruise many miles at a decent clip with no trouble in the least. The Xodus 10 is an ideal daily trainer for just about any surface, condition or duration, will fit a wide variety of foot shapes and sizes, is durable, well cushioned and protective. If you are the one shoe in the quiver type, this is your shoe.
Jeff’s Score: 9.7/10
Ride: 9.9, Fit: 9.9, Value: 9, Style: 8, Traction: 9.5, Rock Protection: 10, Weight: 9
While the Xodus 10 is certainly one of my favorite shoes and biggest surprises in some time, I think that the Xodus 10 could still stand to trim a ½ oz or even an ounce. Styling, at least in the black colorway I received for review is a bit bland, and hopefully will be available in a more appealing colorway.
Sam: An incredible all terrain, and any road, maximal cushion shoe and a total shocker. The versatility and utility is off the charts from daily training on any surface, to any trail run even the most rugged, to ultra racing, to hiking. Thus it gets a perfect 10 for Value below The weight is up there for sure, the only reason to deduct some fractions from Ride but not really as noticed as it could be as the ride is so smooth, energetic, and cushioned. I agree with Jeff the styling of our samples in all black is a bit to stealth (and very hard to photograph!)
Sam’s Score: 9.6 /10
Ride: 9.7 (30%) Fit: 9.5 (30%) Value: 10 (10%) Style: 8 (5%) Traction: 9.5 (15%) Rock Protection: 10 (10%)
Comparisons Index to all RTR reviews: HERE
Saucony Peregrine 10 (RTR Review)
Jeff: The Peregrine 10 is a bit lower to the ground with a more firm midsole, is lighter, less expensive and has a more secure and performance oriented upper. The more secure upper, firmer midsole and lower stack make the Peregrine more appropriate for faster running in technical terrain (though no problems with Xodus 10), but the Peregrine 10 does not match the Xodus 10 for it’s all around versatility, cushion and road performance.
Sam: agree with Jeff 100%
Salomon Speedcross 5 (RTR Review)
Jeff: Both close in weight, but I find the Xodus to be a much higher performer with less aggressive tread, yet still overall better traction, better response, better stability, better versatility and comparable comfortable fit.
Sam: The only place Speedcross might outperform the Xodus is in very deep soft snow or mud,
Hoka One One Speedgoat 4 (RTR Review)
Jeff: The Speedgoat has more cushioning and shares many of the same wonderful attributes as the Xodus, however I think those who balk at Hoka fit will prefer the Xodus. The Xodus is also more responsive and while not as light, feels as light, is more stable, more agile, with better ground feel and runs better on the road.
Salomon Sense Ride 3 (RTR Review)
Sam: While Sense Ride 3 is an ounce lighter, the Xodus is way more fun to run and just as stable and secure and is better cushioned particularly at the forefoot. Xodus deeper chevron lugs also performed better on soft snow trails while they are less noticed on firm ground including road,
Brooks Cascadia 14 (RTR Review)
Jeff: The Cascadia 14 was one of my favorites for 2019 and shares many of the same attributes of the Xodus 10. The Cascadia is a bit lighter and perhaps overall quicker, but Xodus has a more grippy and versatile outsole, a more cushioned midsole and better road/road/trail performance.
Saucony Triumph 17 (RTR Review)
Guess what, while heavier I much prefer the more balanced and more flexible Xodus, on road before we even take it to trail for all more moderate paces where the Triumph struggles for me and is not as much fun even as it shares the PWRUN+ midsole with the Xodus.
Mizuno Wave Sky Waveknit 3 (RTR Review)
Sam: My 2019 favorite cushier recovery road trainer is easily dethroned in 2020 by the far more versatile, smoother, softer and more energetic Xodus and that is saying something.
Xodus 10 releases 2/1/20
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Enjoyed the review guys. How would you compare the Xodus to the Salomon XA Elevate
for technical trails or a 50k? I'm trying to find a good replacement for the XA's.
Thanks Mark! Both Jeff and I really really liked the XA Elevate and it is a worthy comparison. I will also let Jeff chime in but the Xodus has a somewhat roomier upper especially upfront. The XA is firmer and more responsive while Xodus is softer and bouncier and about equally stable front to back. I very much liked XA on the road as a firmer stiffer kind of trail shoe. It was fast with lots of pop and of course great on the trail. The Xodus is overall easier on the legs, more cushion, more flexible if an ounce heavier. I think the Xodus would take me on longer runs on any terrain than would XA
Sam, Editor
Wow, sounds like Saucony really nailed it with this revamp. Can’t recall almost any review where you guys waxed so eloquently about a shoe? Impressive to say the least. Would like to see your other New England native tester Jacob? give these a whirl. I believe he’s a Speedgoat fan and would be interested in his thoughts. It’s officially now on my list of shoes to test for White Mountains torture and by golly also what a good sloppy conditions winter road option which I need. Now please let black NOT be the only color option.
Also, is this going to be available in a Gore-Tex version as well?
Mark, Sam gave a good comparison. I would likely favor the XA Elevate on runs that involved more off trail, rock hopping, scrambling, steep side hilling, etc.... Though the Xodus 10 would truthfully handle all of the above very well too. I would for sure favor the Xodus 10 for longer distances, as it has a softer, more well cushioned feel and more accommodating toe box for a full day of swelling and comfort.
Jeff J: I think the Xodus 10 would be a great New England shoe (I spent my first 20 years in NH), I would not hesitate to pick these for a quick Huntington/Tucks/Lions Head sort of loop. Not sure on Gore version, but would not be surprised. I think there will be other colors beyond the black (see Sam's TRE preview video).
Actually, video from Outdoor retailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5b9sbkcnj8
Guys thanks for the detailed responses. It was your review of the XA that got me to buy them
and after 3 pairs, I'm leaning toward the Xodus now. As nice as the XA is, it would definitely be nice to have
some more cushion.
Comes in a steel blue color also apparently. MUCH better
https://www.runnerinn.com/running/saucony-xodus-10/137302363/p
Great review as always, thanks! How do you think this shoe would perform for a warm weather ultra? And if the course is dry and not to technical would you choose the upcoming Canyon TR with it’s smaller lugs for a smoother ride? Eying these shoes up, along with the Caldera 4, Speedgoat 4 wide and the new Olympus for San Diego 100.
Jeff
Hi Jeff,
The Xodus has a fairy dense but pliable more conventional mesh upper. While I have not personally run them in warm weather I think it would do fine and very likely would be great for keeping dust out. As far as its lugs vs "smaller" for me zero issues on firm terrain. In fact on road an amazingly smooth ride, the best I can recall for such a highly cushioned shoe. Not that I am doing a 100 as of now it would be my choice for any 100 especially a smoother one but I would also take it anywhere most technical.
The Speedgoat doesn't flex much at all and may be to much shoe for the course despite having great cushion.
The Caldera 4 should also be in consideration. While I did not personally test yet it definitely fits the bill for such a course from what I can tell. See our just posted review at the link below.
Sam, Editor
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Hope you review the Altra Timp 2, I'm liking the regular Torin on flat dirt
I'm hoping to race a paved trail marathon on February 1st .. but they do not plow, and almost certainly there's going to be snow or slush on the course. Not technical or really any elevation to speak of; I ran the same course last August in 1:25:00 or so as a half-marathon.
I really wish these shoes were out by then..!
I run every day (60-70 mpw) in Nike Zoom Fly Flyknits and race in Vaporfly (longtime Hoka Clifton fan, I owned 15+ pairs from v1-v3).
Your comparison section is loaded with some interesting picks and I'll try to buy a pair of each of these to see if they fit properly... just a shame to see that this shoe won't be available til after my race when you would pick it over everything else!
Any recommendations from the reviewers on what would work for my use case (likely sloppy / snowy slush - but going for a BQ marathon time despite that)?
I tried the Peregrine 10 on today in my normal size 10 and size 9.5 just because I couldn’t tell if the 10 was SLIGHTLY longer? Ultimately the small size I knew would be a mistake once there was any swelling or downhill. Would you say the Xodus would be the same size or does I’d get far bigger up front?
I was sent half size up in both as that was Saucony had for samples. I find the Xodus has a better heel and mid foot hold and thus for me a better forefoot fit and hold. Width not the whole picture. Width about the same but less slip forward in Xodus 10. I would stay half up in X10 but might try true to size in P10. Sam, Editor
I ended up going my normal size in P10, so I apologize for a dumb question, but why would you stay 1/2 size up in the X10 with such good hold?
Hi guys, I am a proud Xodus ISO series fan (except for the Panzer tank ISO 3) and also a more than happy user of the Peregrine ISO.
I am debuting in the marathon distance this summer in very technical Pyrenees terrain and to be honest I am planning to go for the Akasha.
BUT. Just yesterday I tried them in store and felt awesome, yet I am still doubtfull if this Xodus10 gives as much actual protection as the Akasha seems to offer. I mean, kicking a rock with the Akasha should mean almost nothing while doing the same with this Xodus10 can lead one or more nails to be ripped off right away...
What is your experience if any in granite chaos / big boulders etc?
And also how they perform in wet/moisty rock? I tend to trust the Pwrtrack rubber but sometimes it has proven me wrong and my left knee or butt remembers me of that just as well...
Oh, and many thanks for such awesome reviews!
Juan, plenty of underfoot protection, while still offering good contouring (does not feel kike a board underfoot, as did the previous Xodus models IMHO. Better than Akasha all the way around. No issues on wet/moist rock, but use in those conditions has been very limited for me thus far.
Thanks so much Jeff. Yes, the ISO 3 was like running with diver's lead shoes (The ISO1 were so good despite the weak sole, though I managed to keep mine in nice condition after near 500 Km or so).
Will definitely try them in store along with the Akasha. Salesperson better grab a large coffee because I plan to stay trying the whole day if necessary! :D
Juan,
Another shoe you might consider is the upcoming La Sportiva Jackal due out in March. Can't wait for that test. Looks like it could be a great shoe with lots of cushion, rock plate, and a wider toe box. Made for Ultra racing but you know it will have that la Sportiva mountain pedigree. GTX version as well.
I am going to give the Xodus 10 a test in similar conditions you describe (White Mountains of New Hampshire). I am cautiously optimistic they will provide the grip I desire on wet and slab rock. Luckily we have a store here in the US (REI) that if you are unhappy with a product, even if you use it, you can return it for a full refund so you are not out $150. At the very least it could be a decent general purpose hiking shoe but I' hoping for much more than that.
Wow, I just googled to find some images of the Jackal out there already and sure they look amazing.
Thanks for the info, I can sure wait to spring for them to come out and give them a try too.
Will keep an eye on the site for your test review! Thanks so much! :)
Several of us have the Jackal, but am awaiting second pair, as my normal 10 was too small. Sam on the other hand says his normal 9 fits him fine. Now we just need a little snow melt here in Boulder for proper review conditions, but hopefully we can get a review up before too long.
To clarify my Jackal sizing. I am always a half size up than normal in Sportiva so 9/42 and also am in Jackal. Fit is fine in terms of volume and clearly higher volume than the Bushido 2 also size 9 particularly over the ball of the foot. Length is fine for me but need to find some dry ground somewhere!
Sam, Editor
Sam,
I’m very interested in these but wonder how they A/B vs my current favorite EVO Mafate 2?
Chad
Tough call, both are great shoes. Mafate 2 certainly more cushion, but forefoot fit not quite as forgiving, also a bit more responsive I think.
Thanks Jeff!!
How do the Xodus 10 compare to the Hoka Evo Mafate 2?
Hi Phil, see 2 comments above. Thanks for reading.
I've got my first trail marathon in the summer over what is likely to be very mixed terrain in the Welsh mountains. There's everything from muddy bog, to rocky mountain tracks to smooth trail and even a bit of road and the weather could throw anything from pouring rain to 30 Celsius sun so these look a good option. I was previously looking at the Scott Supertrac 2.0 or Supertrac Ultra RC. Do either of you have experience of the Scott shoes and, if so, how do they compare? I've generally used Inov8 shoes for trail running but haven't found a model that give very good protection for long runs on harder trails (plus their uppers don't wear well).
Oops, thanks Jeff. Didn't see that one. So you view the Mafate 2 as more cushioned and responsive? If the Xodus 10 has the same characteristics but slightly less so then it may be a good training option (running in similar shoes) as I have to import the Mafate at great expense but I can find the Xodus 10 locally.
Response to Mark P
I was very intrigued by the Scott Supertrac Ultra RC. Some good reviews overseas but they are not sold here in the US. I ordered them anyway from Europe to try. It's a nice shoe with a great design and quality and my size 12 fit great. What I found lacking was was their grip on slab rock and especially wet slab rock which almost got me seriously hurt. For where I use them that was a deal breaker to sell the shoes. I have to trust a shoe plant and i couldn't with the Scott. Also after an admittedly very rocky 31 mile hike/run my feet were just hammered and that was using a really top shelf aftermarket insole. Personally for softer ground and less technical trails I believe they would work very well up to potentially 50 miles, maybe more.
Just had my first run in these after buying a pair on the back of this review and absolutely love them, they are all you said they are better in the road than my road shoes, great on gravel and grass and OK in mud too, thanks
Jeff, you mentioned concerns with the EVO Speedgoat in terms of foothold on technical terrain but, otherwise, these seem similar to me in many ways (though obviously not others but with, say, the weight I hear it repeated that the Xodus feels lighter than they are). Sans those foothold issues the EVO SG sounds awesome. I have more of Topo foot but find that all their ultra options have something I don't like but both of the above shoes sound as though they create enough forefoot room. So, since there wasn't a comparison, do you or anyone else have thoughts on why one would pick the EVO SG or the Xodus 10? (Late to the party but I for the first time ever decided to try out a high stack trail shoe and so hoping y'all still check in.)
Will, tough call, but I think the Xodus 10 still may be a bit more friendly to slightly wider feet or for those looking for a little more wiggle room (of course everyone's foot/preference varies). FWIW, I instinctively reach for the Xodus 10 more the EVO SG, but both are really great shoes.
Much appreciated, Jeff, for the very quick reply. I am thinking Xodus then because while I'm not lucky enough to run around Boulder I do really, really rocky ultras in the MD/VA area and the foot hold thing seems to lean towards Saucony. Thanks!
How would these compare to the Olympus 3.5 in terms of ride?
Hi guys could you throw some more light on why saucony insisted you try them together with the peregrine was it just to compare or are they saying Xodus will feel better?
Hi Morgan, thanks for reading. If Saucony insisted we review both at the same time, I somehow missed that.
To the best of my knowledge, I think it was more just timing based on release date. (Jan/Feb 2020).
Hi Morgan,
Xodus 10 and Peregrine 10 released at about the same time and were sent to us together. More importantly they are very different rides based on their midsoles: Xodus plush and bouncy as all TPU while Peregrine more conventional EVA/TPU mix somewhat firmer and more responsive. Much prefer Xodus ride personally on both road and trail.
Sam, Editor
Thanks guys 👍
70's Teen, unfortunately can't compare to Olympus 3.5, but would presume that the Olympus is much more spongy and less agile, higher stack. Not to mention the Altra fit and 0 drop works for some and not others. I for one would be a little uneasy riding 33mm high without a secure fit.
Bonjour,
Merci pour le test très complet.
Fidèle au modèle Xodus depuis quelques années mais un peu déçu du tank ISO 3, j'ai acheté les Xodus 10 après lecture de votre test.
2 questions/avis :
1. J'ai l'habitude de prendre une taille 10 mais là je me sens plus "serré" et mon pied heurte le devant de la chaussure en descente engagée, ce qui ne m'étais jamais arrivé avec les modèles précédents. Quel votre retour par rapport à votre taille habituelle?
2. J'ai longuement hésité avec les Salomon Ultra Pro (pour des trails de 130 km dans les Alpes) qu'en pensez vous?
Merci!
Jeff, would you race in the Xodus? I’m primarily a road runner but am planning to race trail marathon—my first trail race at that distance. Given my inexperience, I’m really unsure what to use. I own the Xodus, Terra Kiger 5, and Sense 4 Pro. I like the cush and protection of the Xodus, but am worried about the weight over 26.2 miles. Not sure!
Thanks.
A lot of it depends on the course, preferences and the individual, but I think the Xodus 10 would be a worthy race shoe for longer distances where cushioning and comfort are more important than light weight (within reason of course).
Re: marathon, I got these for ultra distances with the assumption that they’d feel way better than my lower profile shoes that yet managed technical 50ks (Superior, TOPO MT-2) but I don’t know if it’s the stack -never had that high - firmness or weight, but after maybe just 2-2.5 hours my feet and knees really feel it, so much so that I’m oddly using this large stack shoe for just 1.5-2 hour training runs. I’m curious as to thoughts for what is maybe the bigger culprit so I can target a replacement. It’s probably that I’m not small nor an efficient runner and I must say that I was shocked at how agile these big boys are. Plus they look indestructible and the traction is crazy good. But would you think I should look more for less weight, stack, or rigidity?
I’m thinking the Ultraventure FWIW but some TOPO run short (I’m 13 so can’t size up) and $130 is a lot for their basic EVA that seems to compress around just about 200 miles.
Topos are really nice, but have no experience with the Ultraventure and I do find my toes up against the front often times in my normal size, but seem to get used to it over time.
Thanks Jeff!
Thank you for your great reviews! Out of curiosity, did you lose your Running Warehouse discount code?
No longer public. Please send me a message via the right side bar contact form. Sam
How does the fit compare against the Brooks Cascadia 14? I’m currently using the Cascadia in a 2E fit. found the Peregrine 8 a little too narrow along the midfoot, do the Xodus offer any more volume? (The wide fit isn’t available in the UK)
I think the Xodus 10 might be slightly more voluminous in the forefoot, but not significantly so and for sure not enough to accommodate for the added 2E width you opt for in the Cascadia 14.
Choosing between xodus 10 and peregrine 10, which has a roomier toe box and would be more comfortable for someone with wide feet?
Also, you gave both 9.5 for traction but the peregrine's outsole seems have a better design.
Hello
Snow is coming here in Switzerland. Do you have a reference of spikes to screw in the outsole of Xodus? It would be excellent to avoid heavy metal chains like Nortec or Snowline.
Thanks a lot in advance for your input.
Antoine.
Hi Antoine, you could do La Sportiva hobnails, but I find that they work best on La Sportiva shoes with designated lugs (not sure how well they would work with the Xodus). There are also only 9 lugs per shoe with the hobnails which is a little slim if you run steeper trails. Here is some more info here: https://www.roadtrailrun.com/2017/02/winter-run-hike-traction-guide-and.html
Also, we have not yet reviewed the Kahtoola Exospikes, but look very promising: https://kahtoola.com/product/exospikes-footwear-traction/
Thanks a lot Jeff.
Kahtoola EXOspikes looks like perfect for my need.
Difficult to find here, but following your advise I contacted the importer and he told me that EXOspikes are on their way and in local stores for early November.
Resoling the (honestly) deceptive PWRTRAC with Vibram LiteBase and adding spike when necessary is my (complicated but appealing) plan for facing rough winter sessions with the otherwise great Xodus 10.
Thank you again for the great reviews and advises.
Antoine.
No problem Antoine, always glad to help! EXOspikes I think will be a big success, perfect for icy, packed surfaces where something like the Microspikes are too much. I love hobnailed shoes, but you are committed to a shoe and committed to frozen surfaces, so the EXOspikes will offer the ultimate in flexibility, any shoe and the ability to take off for paved approach for example. Good luck!
Jeff thanks, the search continues...the Cascadia 14 and the Topo Terraventure 2’s are the only shoes I’ve found which offer enough midfoot and to box width (no hotspots on my instep/flat arches) but the Cascadias just feel numb and unforgiving for longer runs and Topo build quality is woeful (I had 3 pairs split in the first 100 miles). I’ve tried Hoka SG4 and ATR 5 in wide fit but despite persevering, both caused bad instep blisters. The SG4’s tapered toe box was also an issue.
I’ve tried Altra Timp 1.5 and Inov8 G260’s but I’m just not suited to zero drop despite a lengthy transition and foot/mobility exercises. The G260’s are a standout shoe and the best I’ve tried; if only Inov8 would produce a 3-5mm alternative of the newer G270. It would likely be perfection.
For now I’ll just stick with the Cascadia 14’s; I don’t like running in them but at least my feet aren’t in bits after a longer run. I’m doing my first 100 miler in the Spring and I wish I could get a shoe choice nailed well beforehand.
Thnks for a great review as always. Very well aware that you posted this already in January so a bit late to approach you on the Xodous 10.
But nevertheless I wanted to ask you about the heel counter. More specifically how high (deep) it is. I have done numerous mountain ultras in the Peregrine 7 and Peregrine ISO. I now also run a lot in the Peregrine 10. And even if I like the 10 a lot more to be honest then the pretty slow and sluggish (but veeeery comfy) ISO I always return to the ISO for the really long and steep days. This simply since the heel counter is quite a bit lower on the Peregrine ISO (and 7) than on the 10. In very steep downhill the heel counter of the Peregrine 10 simply presses my achilles tendon too much if I’m out there 12, 15, 18 hours or even more… This problem is not at all there with the lower heel counter in the ISO (or the amazing Peregrine 7 for that matter but I’ve totally run them down so they’re hardly an option any more).
Looking at the pics it seems like the Xodus 10 has almost the same heel counter as the Peregrine 10. I.e. not the lower one of the ISO…
Or? Would the Xodus 10 be nicer to my achilles than the Peregrine 10? I have never even bothered to look in the direction of Xodus since it, as also you say, is more of a speed hiking shoe than a trail runner. But this review intrigued me in my search of the perfect say 70-160 km shoe in technical terrain for happy (but ambitious) amateurs who would like to be able run that in a semi-lightweight Salomon, but knows that comfort is gonna play a much bigger role than speed and agility on such a long day 😊
All the best / Anders
Sorry for double-posting… But saw that I came up as anonymous on my question just now. Don't wanna be that :) So pls ignore my former post :)
Thnks for a great review as always. Very well aware that you posted this already in January so a bit late to approach you on the Xodus 10.
But nevertheless I wanted to ask you about the heel counter. More specifically how high (deep) it is. I have done numerous mountain ultras in the Peregrine 7 and Peregrine ISO. I now also run a lot in the Peregrine 10. And even if I like the 10 a lot more to be honest then the pretty slow and sluggish (but veeeery comfy) ISO I always return to the ISO for the really long and steep days. This simply since the heel counter is quite a bit lower on the Peregrine ISO (and 7) than on the 10. In very steep downhill the heel counter of the Peregrine 10 simply presses my achilles tendon too much if I’m out there 12, 15, 18 hours or even more… This problem is not at all there with the lower heel counter in the ISO (or the amazing Peregrine 7 for that matter but I’ve totally run them down so they’re hardly an option any more).
Looking at the pics it seems like the Xodus 10 has almost the same heel counter as the Peregrine 10. I.e. not the lower one of the ISO…
Or? Would the Xodus 10 be nicer to my achilles than the Peregrine 10? I have never even bothered to look in the direction of Xodus since it, as also you say, is more of a speed hiking shoe than a trail runner. But this review intrigued me in my search of the perfect say 70-160 km shoe in technical terrain for happy (but ambitious) amateurs who would like to be able run that in a semi-lightweight Salomon, but knows that comfort is gonna play a much bigger role than speed and agility on such a long day ��
All the best / Anders
Hi Anders, thanks for reaching out. I just closely compared the two and both heel counters are the same height and share a very similar overall structure. While I have never had an issue with either, the Xodus 10 has a more plushly padded heel collar and seems a bit more capable/friendly for longer forays out in the mountains and in technical terrain, where the Peregrine 10 is better for shorter, faster running. The Xodus 10 is still quick however, a VERY different shoe than previous models and I am just as likely to pick it for a fast hour or two as I am a full day out, no matter the terrain. One of my top picks for 2020.
Thanks Jeff!
And yes, it is not the heel counter of the 10's that are high. It's my left achilles tendon that is sensitive :) And so the lower one on the Peregrine ISO and 7 suits me well. But I do hear you on the more padded one on the Xodus. This might very well do the trick since I have other shoes with the same height of the heel counter as the Peregrine 10 that do not give me this issue on steep downhill. So now just hoping it will come in another color than black-black since I already have that in the Peregrine 10... :)
All the best and thanks again for you quick answer / Anders
Black is never my first choice for a shoe, but I think it looks OK for this shoe, or at least I can look long past the color given how much I like it. They also offer a Desert/Pine color variation that you might like better?
Hi,
How does it compare to Brooks Catamount?
Thanks!
Hi Unknown,
The Xodus and Catamount are quite different shoes. X is far heavier, far more plush in cushion, has better traction and is far more versatile overall as it is also a superb road shoe. I will take you literally anywhere but not as fast as the Cat whose ideal terrain is smoother single track taken fast.
Sam,, Editor
I was wondering what size you would suggest in the Xodus 10 and/or Peregrine (latest versions) if I wear a men's 12 in a Topo Ultraventure, Runventure 3, and Ultrafly 3. I am an expat overseas, can't get home due to pandemic, run in Topo because I know they fit well and I can order them safely from the US, but I am getting tired of their lack of options. Great review as always! Cheers, Dean
I was wondering what size you would suggest in the Xodus 10 and/or Peregrine (latest versions) if I wear a men's 12 in a Topo Ultraventure, Runventure 3, and Ultrafly 3. I am an expat overseas, can't get home due to pandemic, run in Topo because I know they fit well and I can order them safely from the US, but I am getting tired of their lack of options. Great review as always! Cheers, Dean
Hi Dean, I find that the Xodus 10 runs true to size. I wear 10 in about everything and 10 in the Xodus 10 is perfect.
Hi Jeff, thank you so much for your quick reply! Would you suggest staying the same size in the Peregrine 10 as well? Some people were suggesting a half size larger in that shoe. Also, have you found the Xodus toebox to be about the same as the Peregrine 10? The P10 review suggested that the toebox was slightly more 'roomy' than previous versions, which is what I prefer. Cheers,
Dean
Hi Dean, yes, I find sizing and fit to be comparable between the two. I would say toe box slightly more accommodating, but certainly not roomy, just right I think for my low volume foot and preference to steep and rugged terrain with a little room to breathe and not feel confined.
I have about 450 km / 300 mi in the Xodus 10 (80% trail runs, 10% hikes, 10% road running). Midsole and outsole are still in great shape, but I just got a 2.5 cm / 1 in tear in the upper in the forefoot. Disappointed!
Mine have so far proven durable, how did you cut them? A few years ago I ripped open a pair of one of my better shoes (forget which model now), on an old barbed wire fence that was laying partially hidden in the woods, I was bummed, but it happens every now and then.
I just noticed the tear after my run. It was mostly on open gravel trails, so nothing to really snag on. The tear is right where the mesh meets the toe cap overlay. I did stumble on a rock, so maybe it got an extra stress there, but nothing a trail shoe shouldn't be able to handle.
Hi, thank you for a great review. Was wondering how these size vs Salomon Sense Ride 3. Would it be same or size up half. Currently wear size12 in Sense Ride 3
Same size should work fine. Sam
Thanks for quick response!
Pwrtrack+ is sliding on wet rocks quite dangerously. But they are great all rounders. I found them a little narrower than xodus iso 3 and peregrine Iso
Are these shoes true to size? Thank you
Yes, they are true to size.
Before I drop 150.00 for xodus 10. Any info on upcoming xodus 11?. As a 6'1 210 trail hopper it is hard to dial in that overall do everything shoe. This might do the job. Surprisingly I have found Salomon XA pro V8 to be my go to. As always great job on reviews
Hi Elvis,
Thanks for the kind words. From what I understand the X11 is an upper update. Not sure on release date yet but imagine around mid year
Sam, Editor
Looks like the Exodus 11 is scheduled for release in early April 1 according to this source
https://footwearnews.com/2020/focus/athletic-outdoor/best-trail-running-shoes-spring-2021-1203040786/
Thanks Roy! We are really looking forward to reviewing the Xodus 11! Hopefully soon.
Great review, very tempted by these, but looking for a waterproof shoe - what would be the best current Xodus equivalent with goretex? The Speedgoat 4 GTX?
Also see they've released the Xodus 11 btw :)
Hey Zink, yeah, I think the SG4 GTX would be a good pick, as would be the Peregrine 11 GTX (though admittedly, firm under foot and not as cush as the SG or Xodus. Thanks for the reminder on the Xodus 11, as we are awaiting review samples, but have not received yet.
Thanks Jeff!
I ended up ordering the Peregrine 11 GTX (I'm in Norway) after reading your review, as I have some doubts about the durability of the SG4 relative to it plus it's more expensive and I'm not sure if Hokas are for me.
Will be interesting to try a new brand, the Peregrine looks like a very serious and well thought through shoe :)
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