- a new TPU cage at the midfoot upper. I thought this area was fine so will see.
- still the sock like Tech Fit upper which I liked, but many didn't, but with new arrangement of overlays in forefoot. It looks like the forefoot overlays are reduced to 2 from 3 and the front overlay is moved a bit back from the toe which may make the feel a little more open and less constraining and directed.
- weight at 9.9 oz Men's 9. Adidas has the Boost 1 at 9.5 oz so heavier, not a good thing.
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Thursday, February 20, 2014
adidas Energy Boost 2: First Look from Holabird Sports
The original Energy Boost was one of my Best of 2013, actually the Boost material was and is the best. The Energy got me through 2 painless (almost), blister less marathons. The next generation Energy Boost 2 is hitting the market in Feb. 2014. From what I understand all changes are to the upper. Video from Holabird Sports describes some of the changes:
Wednesday, February 05, 2014
Review- New Balance 980 Fresh Foam: Supportive Cushioned Lightweight Product of Computer Aided Design
The New Balance 980 Fresh Foam, a 8.8 oz men's size 9, 7.3 oz women's size 7, 4mm heel/toe drop lightweight trainer is now on sale ($110 MSRP).
Note 4/11/14: New Balance sent me another pair of 980 in size 9, up half a size from my normal 8.5. It turns out the firmness in the midsole I felt in the first pair reviewed here was not to spec, too stiff. The new pair is more cushioned especially in the forefoot, roomy, and has better flex.
The New Balance 980 Fresh Foam is not made up of innovative materials (a la adidas Boost) or for that matter has a radical design ( a la Hoka). The 980 is innovative as for the first time New Balance is leveraging parametric modeling software often used by architects to micro design and shape the data characteristics of loading and biomechanics into what is essentially a very simple single material EVA midsole and single material rubber outsole. New Balance has used this approach before to custom design 3D spike plates for elite athletes based on their form and foot shape. I saw the Fresh Foam introduced at OR last summer and wrote about them then.
How does this innovative approach translate to the shoe's design?
The outer sidewalls have hexagonal "relief" based on the data modeling, which depending on location, either provide additional support via convex bulging shapes or deform, absorb shock and cushion through concave shapes.
The lateral (outside of foot) heel is concave and deforms and absorbs on landing on the decoupled heel, while the lateral forefoot is more supportive allowing the foot to roll inwards for toe off
Does it work? Yes. Not only does my informal finger "durometer" test indicate that convex areas are firmer and concave areas deform more but running in the shoes one gets a sensation of consistent smooth support from heel to toe.
Marketing materials from New Balance say that the 980 has "ultra-plush" cushioning. Well it all depends on what one means by ultra plush. They feel quite a bit firmer than Hokas or Skechers Ultra but less firm than the sometimes harshly firm Pearl Izumi EM line. They are fairly close in cushion for me to the adidas Energy Boost althoughquite a bit firmer but more stable with less of the Energy's rebound effect. Running Warehouse has the stack heights at 25mm heel, 21mm forefoot. They have a thick insole which I believe RW includes. The forefoot certainly feels nicely cushioned similar to an Altra Torin. The overall sensation is by no means unpleasant. One feels very well cushioned, well supported with good road feel. They feel particularly stable, yet cushioned, on downhills. The bumps in the road have been smoothed out but it still there. Think of the difference between a big Audi and an old school luxury sedan. 980 is the Audi.
Upper and Fit
They fit true to my size 8.5, just, due to a somewhat narrow front of the toe box. I would size up half a size if I was running a marathon in the Fresh Foam and since this review New Balance sent me a half size up which fits far better. Not really as roomy as the very roomy, almost too roomy, Skechers show below. There a 5 eyelets plus 2 further back to dial in the upper. Tongue is big and thick I think to help cushion use of far back 2 lace holes. Laced and stayed comfortable without adjustment on the first try. A very modern seamless upper. The only stitching is at the very bottom of the lacing system. Rest is all modern overlays over a soft open mesh.
Outsole
Outsole is completely covered in rubber with a bit of a decoupled heel. The computer aided design informed the size and placement of the outsole's hexagons and it is here New Balance may have gone a bit too far. The shoe flexes far back near the middle of the area of small hexagons under the instep. Fairly stiff in the forefoot especially in the cold and I am pretty sure it is mostly the outsole and not midsole that causes the stiffness but it is gradually "breaking in" ( with 22 miles on the shoe). Unusual flex and not sure it matches my form as I have a roll forward and toe off near the front. I might have opened the forefoot outsole up to the midsole with grooves to get a more gradual flex. As the shoe does not have a "rocker" as a Hoka does or an air gap far back as the Pearl Izumi does, and they are stiff, it is fairly hard for me to roll forward and off at jogging pace. With more miles they may flex more. I have not yet tried them at speed but soon will. Often shoes feel and function far differently at speed, particularly stiff ones.
Road Feel and Ride
Apart from the stiff forefoot and flex point far back they run very smoothly with great firm cushion and support. No leg soreness at all the next day. While a 4mm drop shoe, I did not have the sensation I sometimes to that the "heel isn't there".If I was making the decisions I might have gone with a bit softer foam. I say "road feel" as the midsole outsole (lack of lugs aside) could also make this a fine trail shoe in my opinion. I tried them off the side of the road and found them very stable. Unusual, as I often look for trail shoes that can run the road but this one feels starting from a road focus it could easily handle many trails. And New Balance knows this, as a trail version I saw at Outdoor Retailer is coming later this year. It essentially looked like a beefier deep tread on pretty much the same shoe.
Who might like the New Balance 980 Fresh Foam?
The 980 is a well cushioned and light trainer for those seeking a smooth, supportive ride. I might hazard a guess that heavier runners looking for a light sub 9oz shoe will find the Fresh Foam a good option due to its supportive nature. There are support/stability features designed into the hexagons so this could also be a good shoe for mild over-pronators without causing issue for neutral runners. As long as not muddy or too steep (the stiff forefoot a bit of a concern on steep climbs without a rocker) the Fresh Foam should also give a stable ride on easier trails. If they feel comfortable at speed I will consider them for my Boston shoe.
See my review of the New Balance Fresh Foam 980 Trail here. A very fine trail shoe for rugged terrain as well as a smooth runner on the road, a versatile hybrid for varied terrain.
For another review of the New Balance 980 Fresh Foam see Holip Soekawan's super review here.
Disclosure: The New Balance 980 Fresh Foam were provided to me free of charge for this review. The opinions herein are entirely my own.
Note 4/11/14: New Balance sent me another pair of 980 in size 9, up half a size from my normal 8.5. It turns out the firmness in the midsole I felt in the first pair reviewed here was not to spec, too stiff. The new pair is more cushioned especially in the forefoot, roomy, and has better flex.
The New Balance 980 Fresh Foam is not made up of innovative materials (a la adidas Boost) or for that matter has a radical design ( a la Hoka). The 980 is innovative as for the first time New Balance is leveraging parametric modeling software often used by architects to micro design and shape the data characteristics of loading and biomechanics into what is essentially a very simple single material EVA midsole and single material rubber outsole. New Balance has used this approach before to custom design 3D spike plates for elite athletes based on their form and foot shape. I saw the Fresh Foam introduced at OR last summer and wrote about them then.
How does this innovative approach translate to the shoe's design?
The outer sidewalls have hexagonal "relief" based on the data modeling, which depending on location, either provide additional support via convex bulging shapes or deform, absorb shock and cushion through concave shapes.
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| New Balance 980 Fresh Foam Medial Side |
The medial (inside of foot) heel area is firmer and more supportive due to convex hexagons on the sidewall. The forefoot is more cushioned and deforms more due to concave hexagons.
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| New Balance 980 Fresh Foam Lateral |
The lateral (outside of foot) heel is concave and deforms and absorbs on landing on the decoupled heel, while the lateral forefoot is more supportive allowing the foot to roll inwards for toe off
Does it work? Yes. Not only does my informal finger "durometer" test indicate that convex areas are firmer and concave areas deform more but running in the shoes one gets a sensation of consistent smooth support from heel to toe.
Marketing materials from New Balance say that the 980 has "ultra-plush" cushioning. Well it all depends on what one means by ultra plush. They feel quite a bit firmer than Hokas or Skechers Ultra but less firm than the sometimes harshly firm Pearl Izumi EM line. They are fairly close in cushion for me to the adidas Energy Boost although
Upper and Fit
They fit true to my size 8.5, just, due to a somewhat narrow front of the toe box. I would size up half a size if I was running a marathon in the Fresh Foam and since this review New Balance sent me a half size up which fits far better. Not really as roomy as the very roomy, almost too roomy, Skechers show below. There a 5 eyelets plus 2 further back to dial in the upper. Tongue is big and thick I think to help cushion use of far back 2 lace holes. Laced and stayed comfortable without adjustment on the first try. A very modern seamless upper. The only stitching is at the very bottom of the lacing system. Rest is all modern overlays over a soft open mesh.
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| Skechers Go Run Ride 3 compared to New Balance 980 Fresh Foam |
Outsole is completely covered in rubber with a bit of a decoupled heel. The computer aided design informed the size and placement of the outsole's hexagons and it is here New Balance may have gone a bit too far. The shoe flexes far back near the middle of the area of small hexagons under the instep. Fairly stiff in the forefoot especially in the cold and I am pretty sure it is mostly the outsole and not midsole that causes the stiffness but it is gradually "breaking in" ( with 22 miles on the shoe). Unusual flex and not sure it matches my form as I have a roll forward and toe off near the front. I might have opened the forefoot outsole up to the midsole with grooves to get a more gradual flex. As the shoe does not have a "rocker" as a Hoka does or an air gap far back as the Pearl Izumi does, and they are stiff, it is fairly hard for me to roll forward and off at jogging pace. With more miles they may flex more. I have not yet tried them at speed but soon will. Often shoes feel and function far differently at speed, particularly stiff ones.
Apart from the stiff forefoot and flex point far back they run very smoothly with great firm cushion and support. No leg soreness at all the next day. While a 4mm drop shoe, I did not have the sensation I sometimes to that the "heel isn't there".
Who might like the New Balance 980 Fresh Foam?
The 980 is a well cushioned and light trainer for those seeking a smooth, supportive ride. I might hazard a guess that heavier runners looking for a light sub 9oz shoe will find the Fresh Foam a good option due to its supportive nature. There are support/stability features designed into the hexagons so this could also be a good shoe for mild over-pronators without causing issue for neutral runners. As long as not muddy or too steep (the stiff forefoot a bit of a concern on steep climbs without a rocker) the Fresh Foam should also give a stable ride on easier trails. If they feel comfortable at speed I will consider them for my Boston shoe.
See my review of the New Balance Fresh Foam 980 Trail here. A very fine trail shoe for rugged terrain as well as a smooth runner on the road, a versatile hybrid for varied terrain.
For another review of the New Balance 980 Fresh Foam see Holip Soekawan's super review here.
Disclosure: The New Balance 980 Fresh Foam were provided to me free of charge for this review. The opinions herein are entirely my own.
Friday, January 31, 2014
Review: 14 Patagonia Men's Strider Pro 5" Run Short- Versatile, Comfortable, Effective, Pockets Galore
The Patagonia Men's Strider Pro-5" Short ($59) is a dialed in marvel of style, comfort and carrying capacity. As many of us increasing carry "stuff" when we run, and especially smartphones, finding a way to carry all of it is increasingly a challenge. With marathons banning race vests for security reasons and the smart move to carry a jacket and a bit of nutrition on the trail, pack or belt less carry is a challenge.
The Strider PRO is in its 2nd year. I have the first version and it was great if a bit constricting and limited in carry capacity. Designed in collaboration with Patagonia's run ambassadors this second version iterates last year's model to new levels of comfort and versatility. Really in my opinion, the ultimate run short and I have tried plenty.
The new version includes:
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| Patagonia Strider PRO Short Source: Patagonia.com |
The new version includes:
- 5, yes 5 stretch mesh pockets: 2 deep hip pockets suitable for smartphone or light jackets, 2 shallower hip pockets able to hold 2 or more gels, and a rear zip pocket for key or more gels. When empty the pockets are really not apparent, not baggy tacked on Race Ready looking appendages.
- a wide drawstring that can be threaded on the outside or inside of the waistband and minimal stretch waistband to hold it all up when pockets are loaded. Yet always comfortable and non constricting even when loaded
- a very soft smooth fabric with mesh inserts for heat dissipation and breathability in all the right places.
- some pretty wild colors, as well as a basic gray and black.
I have already run plenty of miles in the Strider Pro. The carry capacity without bounce or sagging is very effective.
Below the shorts with on board: iPhone in case, 2 gels, 1 energy chew package and a NorthFace Better Than Naked Jacket. Didn't even load the rear zip pocket which can carry at least 2 more gels. Due to the drawstring/waistband construction, and tight yet easy to handle stretch of the pockets, nothing bounces or sags.
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| Patagonia Strider Pro |
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| Patagonia Strider Pro |
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| Patagonia Strider Pro |
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Thursday, January 23, 2014
Outdoor Retailer Winter Market 14: Updated Altra-The One2, Instinct 2, Paradigm, Superior 1.5,
My eyes were immediately drawn to a new "maximalist" shoe, the Paradigm. Think of it as the road version of the just released 12.2 oz Olympus trail runner. Paradigm is a very light 10.5 oz men's 9 with a 34 mm stack height, right up there with the most cushioned Hokas such as the Mafate or Stinson. The midsole is Altra dual layer EVA with their A Bound energy return layer ( the blue) under the foot. Matching women's model too coming in at 9.5 oz. MSRP $130.
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| Altra Paradigm |
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| Altra Paradigm |
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| Altra Paradigm |
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| Altra Paradigm: I am a 9 and the shoe here is 10.5 but note the roomy toe box |
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| Altra One 2 |
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| Altra One 2 |
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| Altra One 2 |
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| Altra Lone Peak 2 Men's |
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| Altra Lone Peak 2 Women |
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| Altra Lone Peak 2 Women |
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| Altra Lone Peak 2 Women |
I ran in the original Altra Superior. Better on the road than the trail for me due to the very stretchy un reinforced wide upper and no heel counter. One of my favorite lounging shoes. Well the Superior 1.5 adds upper strapping, reinforcements and a heel counter. Altra and zero drop fans will likely find the Superior 1.5 a fine trail racer.
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| Altra Superior 1.5 |
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| Altra Superior 1.5 |
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| Altra Superior 1.5 |
The Instinct, the very popular original Altra is now Instinct 2.0 gets more cushioning and has a 26mm stack height. MSRP $105.
Many of the models featured are available now from Altra. Your purchase here supports my blog.
Wednesday, January 22, 2014
Outdoor Retailer Winter 14: Hoka One One- No Longer Oversize means Overweight- New Huaka, Clifton, Mafate Speed
One of my very first stops at OR was at Hoka One One. I have followed Hoka since 2010 and tried multiple models along their journey swimming against the now receding"minimalist" tide. With rising popularity and funding and energy from new owner Deckers they do not disappoint with their fall 2014 offerings.
I focus here on 3 new models (Mafate Speed, Clifton, and Huaka), with the 11.8oz Conquest just now releasing with notes on other stalwarts such as the Stinson, Rapa Nui, and Bondi all receiving or having just received updates.
Mafate Speed
This is a brand new 12.8oz.version of the original Hoka, the Mafate. The Mafate 3 (14.7oz) stays in the line. With a supportive Speed Frame upper and a durable RMAT (blue) outsole midsole with harder rubber patches over Hoka's CMEVA under foot this is the trail beast in the line.
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| Hoka One One Mafate Speed |
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| Hoka One One Mafate Speed. |
Huaka
Update 7/14: I have been running in the Huaka, over 100 miles of road and trail. Fantastic versatile, flexible, and light Hoka that is still... a Hoka with great and now responsive cushioning.
Review here.
A 2mm drop 8.9 oz racer/trainer with the entire midsole made of the new RMAT material. A bit heavier than the Clifton which comes in at 7.9 oz so I am guessing the RMAT is a bit denser and heavier but more responsive. Likely takes away a bit of the mushy feeling at speed in Hokas. Some patches of harder rubber. Technically a road shoe but with more than adequate lugs for most trails. Sage Canaday a recent convert to Hokas, and one of the top ultra runners at less than 100 mile distances, just ran a 2:22 road marathon in Huakas to finish 2nd at the difficult Carlsbad Marathon. I believe a world record for Hoka shod marathoning. While the drop is lower than I like, I can't wait to try Huakas potentially retrofitting them replacing the flat insole with an insole with a bit more heel lift.
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| Hoka One One Huaka Outsole |
Update: Boulder Running Company and Road Runner Sports (pre-order now) are showing the Huaka will be available very early July 2014
Clifton
The Clifton will be "value" priced by Hoka standards at $130. Entire midsole is made of CMEVA. Remarkably light at 7.9 oz. 4mm heel toe drop. This is the shoe I am most interested in as a long haul road runner and marathon shoe. The other "lightweight" Hokas the Bondi 3 and Rapa Nui 2 come in at 10.8 oz and they are fine shoes indeed.
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| Hoka One One Clifton |
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| Hoka One One Clifton Outsole. |
My understanding is that the Mafate Speed, Huaka, and Clifton will launch for Fall 2014 so July.
Across the line common themes emerge:
- RMAT a new midsole/outsole compound which has a bit of rubber in the mix for " increased rebound, better durability, and exceptional outsole grip." Full RMAT in the Huaka racer, partial RMAT outsole/midsole in the Mafate Speed and Conquest, rest of the midsole on these Hokas have Hoka's special EVA under the foot. All other models including the new Clifton have different densities of Hoka's special EVA with Clifton having something really special in that department to achieve such a low weight
- 3 kinds of meta-rocker or rocker profile. I finally understand this Hoka signature feature:
- early stage with the rocker "behind the met heads for a smoother ride and faster transition to the forefoot ( Mafate Speed, Conquest, Bondi 3, Huaka, Clifton,
- late stage with rocker in front of the met heads. "Designed to create a more stable base for forefoot support. More the Hoka "stability" shoe. ( Stinson Lite road and ATR trail,
- balanced stage meta rocker ( Mafate 3, Rapa Nui, Kailua)
- Speed Frame-a new kind of upper construction..
- Speed Frame on newest models Stinsons, Huaka, Clifton,Conquest and Mafate Speed with more no seam thin overlays. I believe this upper is contributing to weight drops.
- Lighter weight Hokas. Over sized geometry no longer means overweight. Due to the combination of new midsole and upper materials, Hokas are lighter across the board with the highlights the new EVA based Clifton at a remarkable 7.9 oz and the RMAT based Huaka 8.9 oz. Note also the big weight drops from Mafate 3 at 14.7 oz to Mafate Speed 12.0z and Stinson Lite now 11 oz.
- Heel to toe drops remain in a very "natural" 4-5 mm with the Huaka coming in at 2 mm, so a very low drop entry.
Tuesday, December 17, 2013
Review: Skechers GoRun Ride 3 and GoRun Ultra
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| GoRun Ultra |
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| GoRun Ride 3 |
OK, you might snicker a bit Skechers, right. Well hang on a moment. As a bit of a run shoe snob, I have been watching with growing interest what they have been up to. Skechers over the last few years has built a Performance Division and a line of trail and road shoes the right way:
- They have a free reign to innovate from the parent company
- Top notch designs that make no outlandish claims and use innovative light materials
- Signed America's top current marathoner the venerable Meb Keflezghi(4th at the last Olympic Marathon in his Skechers)... after Nike let the "old guy" go.
- Provide value with reasonably priced top level shoes. The 2 models reviewed retail for $80.
- A commitment to be nimble, to rapidly respond to the consumer ( check out their response to questions online), and to iterate shoes rapidly through feedback from on the run testing with a variety of runners, a crowd sourcing of design improvements As a shoe geek I know this is true from the many comments on line from non star runners who have been involved in this process. In fact, they are also going to let me join the new product testing fun and my initial feedback has been responded to by their VP Technical Development.
- A goal to "make the most enjoyable shoes possible", above all else.
The Results/The Shoes
After all that what really counts is where the rubber or foam hits the road. As part of this review I was able to interview the Skechers VP Performance Division Technical Development to get insights into the design philosophy and the how's and why's of what I felt while running in GoRun Ride 3 and GoRun Ultra.
GoRun Ride 3
The Ride 3 is a 8.4 oz M9, 6.5 oz W7 road trainer with a 4mm heel toe drop w/o sock liner and 8mm with sock liner inserted. Midsole stack height without insole is 13mm forefoot, 19mm mid foot, 17 mm heel. Retail $80.
GoRun Ultra
The Ultra is a M9 9.1 oz, W7 7.1 oz, 4 mm drop trail and road trainer with a 4mm heel toe drop w/o sock liner or 8mm with sock liner inserted. Midsole stack height without insole is 23mm forefoot, 30 mm mid foot, 27 mm heel. Retail $80.
Common Shared Themes & Differences
Upper and Fit:
While the materials vary a bit, both shoes have a very comfortable easy to lace hold on the mid foot area. I usually fuss a lot getting the right lacing pressure but with both shoes the upper wraps smoothly from toe to lace tie. I think this is part due to the use of a non stretch nylon on the sides of the upper up to the lace eyelets on either side, sidewalls if you will, that maintain the foot on the midsole and direct the stride in the direction of travel. Both shoes have a very soft stretchy mesh on top of the toes forward of the last laces, far to soft for an entire forefoot but just right to allow the foot to splay in the wide toe box and due to the sidewalls of non stretch material without the sloppiness of the hold of the foot to midsole I find in shoes such as Kinvara.
The Ultra has a conventional heel counter to provide more stability on off counter trails. The Ride 3 has no heel counter at all just a bit of a rise of the midsole to wrap the heel. I was concerned about this but don't miss the heel counter at all. Additionally, the tongue is part of the upper on the Ultra, similar in construction to the adidas energy boost. This helps the whole upper to come together over the foot, keeps the tongue from sliding to the lateral side and help prevents dirt and debris from sneaking in.
Interestingly in this day and age of welded, taped upper construction the uppers on both are stitched with substantial overlays that seemingly do not create a weight penalty or a fit problem. It's all a very careful balance of design, materials, and construction that comes together "seamlessly" in my view.
Both fit me true to my size 8.5, maybe a bit big especially on the Ultra.
Midsole and Outsole:
Essentially the midsole is the outsole on both shoes.
The Ride 3 has some small circular rubber outsole wear patches, the Ultra none.
Skechers believes that large harder rubber outsoles patches or lugs can interfere with the stride's natural state and can cause pressure points as would have the inclusion of a rock plate on the Ultra. Instead both shoes have round pods with Ultra also having triangular lugs around the outside perimeter. I have found the ride incredibly smooth and quiet in both shoes. I never felt I was landing on a particular pod even on the deep pods and lugs of the Ultra.
The geometry of both is what Skechers calls convex leading to a mild rocker. This means that while the heel/toe drop without the insole is 4mm the midsole is actually 2-3mm higher under the midfoot at what Skechers calls the M-Strike. This similar to what Pearl Izumi does with their E:Motion line but in the case of Skechers they do not rely on a gap under the toe area to create the rocker effect or have a steep slope up of the forefoot as Hoka does. Think of this rocker as at the top of the midsole level and not at the outsole level, a key difference from the other two "rockers". The higher mid foot is not noticeable standing.
Both shoes are finished with insole fabric under where one typically finds an insole/sockliner. They are also supplied with a conventional molded sock liner. . I have not tried to run barefoot in either shoe. This means the runner can chose to go without the insole for a 4 mm drop shoe or use the insole to add a net of 4mm of drop or a total of 8mm heel to toe and a bit more cushioning and stability. The sock liner is 3mm thick at the toe and 7mm thick at the heel. A nice touch to provide such drop flexibility. All my runs have been with the sock liner in as I prefer a 6-8 mm drop shoe
I was concerned that New England rocky, rooty trails might be painful in the Ultra given the lack of either a rock plate or an outer sole per say but this has not been the case. The advantage of this design along with deep lugs and grooves in the Ultra midsole is that the front of the shoe is flexible and agile while also being more than adequately cushioned and stable for all but the most technical trails. It turns out the gray midsole material the Resagrip is quite dense, maybe close to the density of Pearl Izumi's overly firm (in my view) midsole, but in the Ultra the firm midsole/outsole close to the ground is overlaid with a softer midsole material, the black material in the picture,. This material also serves as a bumper to hold the foot onto the footbed on twisty surfaces, a bit of a less extreme version of Hoka's "bucket seat". I think the bumper could be a touch more accentuated or the upper wrap a bit more under the forefoot for a bit more forefoot hold on very technical trails.
The Ultra had great grip on snow, leaves, and rock. And then miracle of miracles, on the road it is as smooth and "lug and slap free" as any road shoe with a very cushioned yet not mushy ride.
I am a bit concerned by long term wear of the soft outsole in road usage, one lug at the heel is wearing fast. Skechers suggests that the natural pattern of my stride asks for this pod to wear faster until I achieve a balance. I have seen accelerated wear in other shoes in particular places on the outsole then far less after a certain mileage. Like any design choice, the decision to not have hard rubber wear areas is a fine balance of feel, weight, and longevity. For now I am going with it.
The Ride has a single density midsole, in my view close in firmness to that of the Kinvara but softer than E:Motions but with a far more stable landing and takeoff due to the combination of supportive upper,wide stance, and rounded tightly spaced pods instead of sharp angled soft lugs. The circular pods are not noticeable when running. I have taken runs as long as 12 miles in the Ride with no unusual leg pains and certainly no blisters.
Time to Run and Conclusions
GoRun Ride 3
The Ride 3 is a 8.4 oz M9, 6.5 oz W7 road trainer with a 4mm heel toe drop w/o sock liner and 8mm with sock liner inserted. Midsole stack height without insole is 13mm forefoot, 19mm mid foot, 17 mm heel. Retail $80.
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| GoRun Ride 3 |
The Ultra is a M9 9.1 oz, W7 7.1 oz, 4 mm drop trail and road trainer with a 4mm heel toe drop w/o sock liner or 8mm with sock liner inserted. Midsole stack height without insole is 23mm forefoot, 30 mm mid foot, 27 mm heel. Retail $80.
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| GoRun Ultra |
Upper and Fit:
While the materials vary a bit, both shoes have a very comfortable easy to lace hold on the mid foot area. I usually fuss a lot getting the right lacing pressure but with both shoes the upper wraps smoothly from toe to lace tie. I think this is part due to the use of a non stretch nylon on the sides of the upper up to the lace eyelets on either side, sidewalls if you will, that maintain the foot on the midsole and direct the stride in the direction of travel. Both shoes have a very soft stretchy mesh on top of the toes forward of the last laces, far to soft for an entire forefoot but just right to allow the foot to splay in the wide toe box and due to the sidewalls of non stretch material without the sloppiness of the hold of the foot to midsole I find in shoes such as Kinvara.
The Ultra has a conventional heel counter to provide more stability on off counter trails. The Ride 3 has no heel counter at all just a bit of a rise of the midsole to wrap the heel. I was concerned about this but don't miss the heel counter at all. Additionally, the tongue is part of the upper on the Ultra, similar in construction to the adidas energy boost. This helps the whole upper to come together over the foot, keeps the tongue from sliding to the lateral side and help prevents dirt and debris from sneaking in.
Interestingly in this day and age of welded, taped upper construction the uppers on both are stitched with substantial overlays that seemingly do not create a weight penalty or a fit problem. It's all a very careful balance of design, materials, and construction that comes together "seamlessly" in my view.
Both fit me true to my size 8.5, maybe a bit big especially on the Ultra.
Midsole and Outsole:
Essentially the midsole is the outsole on both shoes.
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| GoRun Ride 3 Outsole |
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| GoRun Ultra Outsole |
Skechers believes that large harder rubber outsoles patches or lugs can interfere with the stride's natural state and can cause pressure points as would have the inclusion of a rock plate on the Ultra. Instead both shoes have round pods with Ultra also having triangular lugs around the outside perimeter. I have found the ride incredibly smooth and quiet in both shoes. I never felt I was landing on a particular pod even on the deep pods and lugs of the Ultra.
The geometry of both is what Skechers calls convex leading to a mild rocker. This means that while the heel/toe drop without the insole is 4mm the midsole is actually 2-3mm higher under the midfoot at what Skechers calls the M-Strike. This similar to what Pearl Izumi does with their E:Motion line but in the case of Skechers they do not rely on a gap under the toe area to create the rocker effect or have a steep slope up of the forefoot as Hoka does. Think of this rocker as at the top of the midsole level and not at the outsole level, a key difference from the other two "rockers". The higher mid foot is not noticeable standing.
Both shoes are finished with insole fabric under where one typically finds an insole/sockliner. They are also supplied with a conventional molded sock liner. . I have not tried to run barefoot in either shoe. This means the runner can chose to go without the insole for a 4 mm drop shoe or use the insole to add a net of 4mm of drop or a total of 8mm heel to toe and a bit more cushioning and stability. The sock liner is 3mm thick at the toe and 7mm thick at the heel. A nice touch to provide such drop flexibility. All my runs have been with the sock liner in as I prefer a 6-8 mm drop shoe
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| GoRun Ultra Midsole |
The Ultra had great grip on snow, leaves, and rock. And then miracle of miracles, on the road it is as smooth and "lug and slap free" as any road shoe with a very cushioned yet not mushy ride.
I am a bit concerned by long term wear of the soft outsole in road usage, one lug at the heel is wearing fast. Skechers suggests that the natural pattern of my stride asks for this pod to wear faster until I achieve a balance. I have seen accelerated wear in other shoes in particular places on the outsole then far less after a certain mileage. Like any design choice, the decision to not have hard rubber wear areas is a fine balance of feel, weight, and longevity. For now I am going with it.
The Ride has a single density midsole, in my view close in firmness to that of the Kinvara but softer than E:Motions but with a far more stable landing and takeoff due to the combination of supportive upper,wide stance, and rounded tightly spaced pods instead of sharp angled soft lugs. The circular pods are not noticeable when running. I have taken runs as long as 12 miles in the Ride with no unusual leg pains and certainly no blisters.
Time to Run and Conclusions
To date I have 35 152 miles of trail and road in the Ultra and 20 miles of road in the Ride 3. I have a hard time selecting which to run roads in: the smooth cushioned yet flexible Ultra or the faster sure footed Ride. It has been very cold here in NH , 15 F and below but I have been pleased that the midsoles do not seem to get as hard as most in these temperatures.
One thing is for sure the trail Ultra with its great cushioning, light weight, and flexibility. It runs as well as any road trainer or even light weight trainer. Very, very versatile addition to my rotation and one that has quickly replaced the adidas energy boost and Hoka Rapa Nui as my long run shoe on any surface. My only concern is outsole durability but keep in mind the price is also right for the Ultra, $80. Given that the Ultra is only 0.6 oz heavier than the Ride, and well under 10oz, such a combination of cushion and light weight is very appealing for not only trail Ultras but as a marathon shoe for a hilly course. Clearly a worthy competitor to Hoka in the very cushioned category, without the "clown shoe" look. The Ultra is also competition to the slightly heavier but far stiffer adidas energy boost that has been my favorite road shoe this year due to the boost material.
The Ride 3 is a solid lighter weight trainer with a great smooth feel. Its strong points are more than adequate cushioning,light weight, and great value. I will certainly be considering it for my Boston this spring as well as for races 10K and up.
All in all I am very impressed with Skechers Performance Division shoes and can't wait for more innovation and tuning of the products as time goes on.
Another review of the Ultra by Nate Sanel over on Runblogger. Has more photographs than mine and is well done and complete.
You can support my blog by purchasing the Skechers reviewed at the links below.
One thing is for sure the trail Ultra with its great cushioning, light weight, and flexibility. It runs as well as any road trainer or even light weight trainer. Very, very versatile addition to my rotation and one that has quickly replaced the adidas energy boost and Hoka Rapa Nui as my long run shoe on any surface. My only concern is outsole durability but keep in mind the price is also right for the Ultra, $80. Given that the Ultra is only 0.6 oz heavier than the Ride, and well under 10oz, such a combination of cushion and light weight is very appealing for not only trail Ultras but as a marathon shoe for a hilly course. Clearly a worthy competitor to Hoka in the very cushioned category, without the "clown shoe" look. The Ultra is also competition to the slightly heavier but far stiffer adidas energy boost that has been my favorite road shoe this year due to the boost material.
The Ride 3 is a solid lighter weight trainer with a great smooth feel. Its strong points are more than adequate cushioning,light weight, and great value. I will certainly be considering it for my Boston this spring as well as for races 10K and up.
All in all I am very impressed with Skechers Performance Division shoes and can't wait for more innovation and tuning of the products as time goes on.
Another review of the Ultra by Nate Sanel over on Runblogger. Has more photographs than mine and is well done and complete.
You can support my blog by purchasing the Skechers reviewed at the links below.
Tuesday, March 08, 2011
Update Review: Got my Hoka One One Bondi-B up to speed today
Wasn't sure I could run the Hoka Hoka Bondi-B at tempo pace. I can and they are still on my list for Boston with the New Balance 890.
2 reasons I haven't been able to tempo the Bondi: the weather has been miserable here in NH the last couple of weeks, and it takes about 40 miles to break the forefoot in and get good flex.
Well, they now flex and they fly. I ran 4 x 6 minute tempo/speed intervals in a total 53 minute workout and they felt great. Mostly sub 7 minute pace which for me is what I expect for such intervals in light performance trainers and racers such as my Kinvaras, New Balance 890 or adidas adizero Rockets. Not the snappy responsive feel of these 3 but the incredible shock absorption of the Hokas is a big plus as I think of the hills at Boston. Next big test a longer run (10-13 miles) at near marathon pace to see if I can hold a 8:15 pace comfortably.
Link here to my other posts about the Bondi-B and Hoka One One
2 reasons I haven't been able to tempo the Bondi: the weather has been miserable here in NH the last couple of weeks, and it takes about 40 miles to break the forefoot in and get good flex.
Well, they now flex and they fly. I ran 4 x 6 minute tempo/speed intervals in a total 53 minute workout and they felt great. Mostly sub 7 minute pace which for me is what I expect for such intervals in light performance trainers and racers such as my Kinvaras, New Balance 890 or adidas adizero Rockets. Not the snappy responsive feel of these 3 but the incredible shock absorption of the Hokas is a big plus as I think of the hills at Boston. Next big test a longer run (10-13 miles) at near marathon pace to see if I can hold a 8:15 pace comfortably.
Link here to my other posts about the Bondi-B and Hoka One One
Monday, February 21, 2011
Update Review Hoka One One Bondi-B
Not sure I would try a 10K in them but a for sure a half marathon and my plan is to run Boston in them in April. I continue to marvel ( I also have several hundred miles including roads in the original Mafate trail shoe) that no matter what the workout the next day legs appear fresher with no soreness, apart occasionally in the feet due to the stiffness, than in any other shoe I have run in. This indicates and Karl Meltzer proved this with his 2064 mile in 40 days Pony Express Trail run that Hokas are a great shoe for both high mileage and recovery runs.
My other posts on Bond-B are here:
First Run Review
Outdoor Retailer Bondi-B article
Monday, February 14, 2011
First Run Review-Hoka One One Bondi-B "Maximalist" Natural Running Shoe
Karl Meltzer of Pony Express Trail run fame and Hoka One One runner announced on his blog that Wastach Running Center in Salt Lake had the new Bondi-B road runner in stock. I went over today and purchased a pair. They told me they are selling fast and they will ship if one doesn't live local to Salt Lake.
I had previously posted about the Bondi-B as part of my Outdoor Retailer coverage and have very much enjoyed almost 500 miles in first generation Hoka One One Mafates. I have run trails and roads and hiked in these super light 10.8 oz "maximalist" shoes and find them particularly well suited to long runs on the road and trail. Legs stay fresh no matter what you throw at them.
My first run in the Bondi-B on the Basin Rec. Fieldhouse track in Park City did not disappoint.
Fit and Construction:
Wider, less constrained toe box than Mafates or for that matter most shoes I have recently run in. Less stitching and more welded overlays. While the Mafates sometimes cramped the front side of the foot the Bondis have a far more open construction. They will breathe well and as feet stretch there will be some give. They do fit 1/2 size small. This was true for me and for the person who fitted me at Wasatch.
The outer sole is comprised of orange more durable wear areas in the heel and forefoot between blown softer EVA of the midsole. Traction should be great on the road. Remains to be seen how they perform on the trails. Karl Meltzer just completed his fastest 100 mile ever in a pair on a relatively (for him) trail course.
Run Feel:
8.8 oz with a near zero forefoot to heel drop of 4mm. As light as many racing flats with amazing cushioning which doesn't feel mushy. They are not only 20% lighter than Mafates but 10% firmer and in my 4 mile run this made a big difference. Much more responsive with a run feel more like a conventional shoe but with no perceptible shock. While the Mafates were great on long slower runs at speed they felt somewhat boaty. I did not run fast tonight after a long run Saturday and an uphill nordic ski Sunday but Bondi-B sure felt snappy.
Hokas are stiff and use the rocker angle of the sole to get one's stride over the mid foot. I found that this approach requires getting used to at longer distances, for me over 13 miles, as while legs felt great to the end pace seems difficult to maintain. I think Bondis will be easier to tame as they are lighter and have a bit less cushioning . My next tempo I will crank up and speed and report. My plan is to run Boston in the Bondi-B if I can get them up to speed.
I had previously posted about the Bondi-B as part of my Outdoor Retailer coverage and have very much enjoyed almost 500 miles in first generation Hoka One One Mafates. I have run trails and roads and hiked in these super light 10.8 oz "maximalist" shoes and find them particularly well suited to long runs on the road and trail. Legs stay fresh no matter what you throw at them.
My first run in the Bondi-B on the Basin Rec. Fieldhouse track in Park City did not disappoint.
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| Hoka One One Bondi-B Road Running Shoe |
Fit and Construction:
Wider, less constrained toe box than Mafates or for that matter most shoes I have recently run in. Less stitching and more welded overlays. While the Mafates sometimes cramped the front side of the foot the Bondis have a far more open construction. They will breathe well and as feet stretch there will be some give. They do fit 1/2 size small. This was true for me and for the person who fitted me at Wasatch.
The outer sole is comprised of orange more durable wear areas in the heel and forefoot between blown softer EVA of the midsole. Traction should be great on the road. Remains to be seen how they perform on the trails. Karl Meltzer just completed his fastest 100 mile ever in a pair on a relatively (for him) trail course.
Run Feel:
8.8 oz with a near zero forefoot to heel drop of 4mm. As light as many racing flats with amazing cushioning which doesn't feel mushy. They are not only 20% lighter than Mafates but 10% firmer and in my 4 mile run this made a big difference. Much more responsive with a run feel more like a conventional shoe but with no perceptible shock. While the Mafates were great on long slower runs at speed they felt somewhat boaty. I did not run fast tonight after a long run Saturday and an uphill nordic ski Sunday but Bondi-B sure felt snappy.
Hokas are stiff and use the rocker angle of the sole to get one's stride over the mid foot. I found that this approach requires getting used to at longer distances, for me over 13 miles, as while legs felt great to the end pace seems difficult to maintain. I think Bondis will be easier to tame as they are lighter and have a bit less cushioning . My next tempo I will crank up and speed and report. My plan is to run Boston in the Bondi-B if I can get them up to speed.
Saturday, February 12, 2011
First Review: Salomon XT S-Lab Advanced Skin Hydration Pack- A Second Skin it Truly Is
I previously posted about the Salomon XT S-Lab Advanced Skin Pack I saw at Outdoor Retailer. The pack looked like an incredibly well thought out and engineered solution to hydration and gear carry while running long distances on trail or road. It was designed with help from Kilian Joret one of the best ultra runners in the world. Gear Zone just got them in stock and I purchased one. After my first long run I am extremely pleased with this (pricey) piece of gear.
Today I took it on a 18 mile plus run in Park City, Utah. My route took me from Willow Creek Park to the Park City Rail Trail and then onto the incredible groomed multi use trails in Round Valley. 85% perfectly groomed snow trails, rest roads. See my Park City winter running post for general map details.
My first impressions:
Fit:
Not just marketing speak when Salomon calls this an Advanced Skin. The chest area is wide open with just 2 elastic straps. Easy breathing. The shoulder harness curves sharply towards the lower back eliminating all bouncing and side to side movement. Even with the full 1.5 liter bladder the sensation is unlike any pack I have worn. Stable, snug, and without any rubbing, at least over my two light wool layers.
Hydration System:
The Source hydration system is very easy to fill and remove. Quick disconnect in middle of lower back. Not a screw or push on valve but an actual mechanical release by button push which seals off the bottom of the bladder. Pull the bladder in its insulated (back side only) sleeve out. Roll open and fill.
The insulated hose goes under the arm and up towards the mouth. A dirt guard covers the nozzle. The Source literature says that the insulation serves 2 purposes: keeps water cooler in heat and from freezing in cold but also prevents build up of microbes in the harder to clean hose. In fact if you only use water there is no need to clean the hose or bladder after use.
To get water bite lightly and suck. Again a mechanical valve which opens on bite and closes when released. No leaking during my run. The dirt guard slips over the nozzle and prevents accidental pressing on the valve. Worked like a charm.
Pockets:
The 2 holster pockets on the front are most useful. I used one for my phone/GPS and the other for my gels. They are large enough for water bottles. Given their angling towards the middle of the chest I don't think my arms will bump them but have to test. They secure with a pull. The 2 rear zippered stretch pockets are small and a bit hard to reach on the run. 2 additional zip stretch pockets are supplied. They attach to the top of the front shoulder straps by velcro. I was going to use them for my phone but worried they might come off due to the cords running underneath. If they are secure, a clever touch as one can just rip them off to get at whatever is inside. The pack is also supplied with an emergency blanket and whistle.
Price and Availability: $180. Spring 2011
Shoe du Jour:
North Face Single Track. A fine shoe for snow running and mixed road non technical trails.
Results:
I was well hydrated and fed during the entire 3:20 run. Never had to fiddle or break stride to get at what I needed. Finished the run strong.
Thanks:
Mountain Trails Foundation and Rick the groomer and trails master (below in action) for incredible trails. Hundreds were enjoying Round Valley on the run, at a walk, on nordic skis, snowshoes, even on mountain bikes on a beautiful sunny day in Park City.
Today I took it on a 18 mile plus run in Park City, Utah. My route took me from Willow Creek Park to the Park City Rail Trail and then onto the incredible groomed multi use trails in Round Valley. 85% perfectly groomed snow trails, rest roads. See my Park City winter running post for general map details.
My first impressions:
Fit:
Not just marketing speak when Salomon calls this an Advanced Skin. The chest area is wide open with just 2 elastic straps. Easy breathing. The shoulder harness curves sharply towards the lower back eliminating all bouncing and side to side movement. Even with the full 1.5 liter bladder the sensation is unlike any pack I have worn. Stable, snug, and without any rubbing, at least over my two light wool layers.
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| In addition to the 1.5 liter bladder I carried a windbreaker. The 2 zip pockets to the right and left are a bit small and hard to reach |
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| Note front fit. Where's the Pack? Arms never rubbed or bumped pack. Easy reach pockets (white) in front : I put my phone in one and gels in the other |
Hydration System:
The Source hydration system is very easy to fill and remove. Quick disconnect in middle of lower back. Not a screw or push on valve but an actual mechanical release by button push which seals off the bottom of the bladder. Pull the bladder in its insulated (back side only) sleeve out. Roll open and fill.
The insulated hose goes under the arm and up towards the mouth. A dirt guard covers the nozzle. The Source literature says that the insulation serves 2 purposes: keeps water cooler in heat and from freezing in cold but also prevents build up of microbes in the harder to clean hose. In fact if you only use water there is no need to clean the hose or bladder after use.
To get water bite lightly and suck. Again a mechanical valve which opens on bite and closes when released. No leaking during my run. The dirt guard slips over the nozzle and prevents accidental pressing on the valve. Worked like a charm.
Pockets:
The 2 holster pockets on the front are most useful. I used one for my phone/GPS and the other for my gels. They are large enough for water bottles. Given their angling towards the middle of the chest I don't think my arms will bump them but have to test. They secure with a pull. The 2 rear zippered stretch pockets are small and a bit hard to reach on the run. 2 additional zip stretch pockets are supplied. They attach to the top of the front shoulder straps by velcro. I was going to use them for my phone but worried they might come off due to the cords running underneath. If they are secure, a clever touch as one can just rip them off to get at whatever is inside. The pack is also supplied with an emergency blanket and whistle.
Price and Availability: $180. Spring 2011
Shoe du Jour:
North Face Single Track. A fine shoe for snow running and mixed road non technical trails.
Results:
I was well hydrated and fed during the entire 3:20 run. Never had to fiddle or break stride to get at what I needed. Finished the run strong.
Thanks:
Mountain Trails Foundation and Rick the groomer and trails master (below in action) for incredible trails. Hundreds were enjoying Round Valley on the run, at a walk, on nordic skis, snowshoes, even on mountain bikes on a beautiful sunny day in Park City.
Friday, January 28, 2011
Outdoor Retailer-Altra Zero Drop Road and Trail Running Shoes & Something for Bad Feet
Pete Larson at Runblogger recommended I visit Altra Running a Utah start up with a new shoe line for:
Both shoes are zero drop (heel to toe ramp), among the very first zero drop "shoes" along with the GoLite Flash and Amp as well as the upcoming Saucony Hattori.
Weight: trail Lone Peak 10 oz (men's size 9 ), the road Instinct 9.1 oz. Not the lightest but they appear quite durable both outsole and upper.
What is most striking about the Instinct and Lone Peak is the toe room width as illustrated here by a photo of the Instinct outsole.
Coming later this summer:
Lace up versions of the Adam and Eve as well as firmer somewhat more stable versions of the Instinct and Intuition for bigger runners.
Correct Toes
Reinforcing the message that Altra may help those with bunions and other foot problems Altra also had samples of Correct Toes ($65) a toe spacer developed by Dr. Ray McClanahan, a sports podiatrist.
The idea is that modern shoes, and that includes most running shoes, can mis shape the foot and can cause problems such as bunions, plantar's heels and hammer toes. Worn at night or in wide shoes such as Crocs or Altras during the day, these silicone spacers claim to help spread out the toes back to a more natural position. I am not sure they are intended to used while running.
My Utah running friend Nicole with whom I have been training for the Boston Marathon while in Park City is both a toe tapper, has bunions, and has considerable foot pain from running intervals on the tight turns on the Basin Recreation indoor track. She is currently testing a sample of Correct Toes and will be writing a guest post here about her experiences with the product.
- the trail The Lone Peak (men and woman specific models). $99.95
- the road Instinct (men's) and Intuition (women's). $94.99
Both shoes are zero drop (heel to toe ramp), among the very first zero drop "shoes" along with the GoLite Flash and Amp as well as the upcoming Saucony Hattori.
Weight: trail Lone Peak 10 oz (men's size 9 ), the road Instinct 9.1 oz. Not the lightest but they appear quite durable both outsole and upper.
What is most striking about the Instinct and Lone Peak is the toe room width as illustrated here by a photo of the Instinct outsole.
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| Instinct Outsole |
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| Altra Instinct |
The toes will have plenty of room to splay out and I think this will help cushion impact in a mid foot stride. While I am not sure the overall midsole cushion height is in my sweet spot I am willing to give them a try.
For those who are "toe tappers", have bunions or other foot issues the Instinct will provide far more room up front than conventional shoes, and when combined with the zero drop from heel to toe, should tend to not mash the toes against either the front or side of the shoes. The rest of the lacing system and upper is conventional so the foot will be very well held and stable.
The Instinct along with its zero drop has 12 mm of forefoot ( and heel) midsole which is 2 mm more than the GoLite Flash Lite zero drop shoe that I found a bit firm and 2 mm less than the Saucony Kinvara's forefoot foam height which for my 168 lb frame I find not quite responsive enough for my pseudo minimal tastes. The outer sole appears very durable, likely more durable than the Kinvara's patches of longer wear material over EVA.
Altra also has 2 super minimalist, velcro closure shoes the Adam and the Eve weighing less than 5 oz.
Instincts and Lone Peak will be on sale in spring in stores and via Altra's web site, at slightly higher prices.
Coming later this summer:
Lace up versions of the Adam and Eve as well as firmer somewhat more stable versions of the Instinct and Intuition for bigger runners.
Correct Toes
Reinforcing the message that Altra may help those with bunions and other foot problems Altra also had samples of Correct Toes ($65) a toe spacer developed by Dr. Ray McClanahan, a sports podiatrist.
My Utah running friend Nicole with whom I have been training for the Boston Marathon while in Park City is both a toe tapper, has bunions, and has considerable foot pain from running intervals on the tight turns on the Basin Recreation indoor track. She is currently testing a sample of Correct Toes and will be writing a guest post here about her experiences with the product.
Saturday, January 22, 2011
Outdoor Retailer-Saucony Hattori and Peregrine
Saucony Hattori
The Saucony Hattori is a true minimalist zero drop shoe coming this spring. Retail $80. Weighing 4.4 oz it has 10 mm midsole height. 2 velcro straps: one across the mid foot one across the heel. Very light, soft almost sock like upper with welded mid foot reinforcements Saucony's theme for the Hattori is "Protection without Correction". It will come in 5 very flashy colors for men (right) and 5 for women (left). Much as my Vizi-Pro Orange Kinvara's attract attention, these shoes also make a fashion statement.
Saucony Peregrine
The Saucony Hattori is a true minimalist zero drop shoe coming this spring. Retail $80. Weighing 4.4 oz it has 10 mm midsole height. 2 velcro straps: one across the mid foot one across the heel. Very light, soft almost sock like upper with welded mid foot reinforcements Saucony's theme for the Hattori is "Protection without Correction". It will come in 5 very flashy colors for men (right) and 5 for women (left). Much as my Vizi-Pro Orange Kinvara's attract attention, these shoes also make a fashion statement.
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| Saucony Hattori |
Update 4/13: Road Runner Sports showing men's and women's Hattori as in stock.
The popular Pro Grid Kinvara has a 14 mm forefoot/ 18 mm heel height according to Running Warehouse. The midsole material in the Hattori is same as the Kinvara and thus with the front to back 10mm midsole height the Hattori will be a firmer ride which will put a premium on good mid foot placement. Saucony recommends starting with 1-2 short runs a week in the Hattori. The outer sole uses strategically placed, more durable outer sole materials in the forefoot and heel. I was told this is the same material as used on the triangular lugs of the Kinvara but in a different color. |
| Saucony Hattori Outer sole |
The Peregrine can be thought of as the trail cousin of the Kinvara as it has the same 4 mm heel to toe drop. Peregrine midsole height: 10 mm forefoot. 14 mm heel vs. 14 mm forefoot 18 mm heel for Kinvara which makes sense as most trail runners have a low forefoot for better trail feel and stability. Weighing 9.1 oz vs. the Kinvara's 7.7 oz, as a trail runner Peregrine features a deeply lugged sole which should be great on snow and loose surfaces as well as a more rugged upper. I was told it is water resistant.
Thursday, January 20, 2011
Outdoor Retailer-Hoka One One Bondi-B Road Running Shoe
I have previously posted about the counter intuitive and bold Hoka One One Mafate "natural running" shoe. While a trail shoe they are my current favorite for long road runs and recovery. Feel like running on grass on the road. Legs stay fresher during and after runs than any other shoe I have ever run in.
I visited Hoka's booth and talked to Nicolas Mermoud, co-founder about their new road shoe the Bondi-B.
The Bondi-B is 8.8 oz in size 9 vs 10.8 oz for the Mafate. Bondi-B has 10% less cushioning than the original Mafate which should make them snappier without losing the leg saving properties of all the midsole foam. Update: Running Times Outdoor Retailer article reports a 4mm heel to toe drop. When combined with the soft foam I believe the Bondi is effectively zero drop.
The upper is lighter and the toe box is seamless on top. It does not have the middle seam of the Mafate. The seam was never an issue for me but it seemed unnecessary. Glad it is gone. The rocker sole seems a bit more pronounced. Hoka's are stiff and rely on the rocker sole to keep you in a short, forward leaning, mid foot efficient stride. You can feel this stride and unlike other shoes stride form seems to stay consistent even when tired. Update: I interviewed Karl Meltzer, podcast coming soon, and according to him one of the key strengths of the rocker sole is that it allows a faster cadence than other shoes he has run ultras in such as LaSportiva Fireblades and Montrail Vitesse. The Bondi-B outer sole is designed for road use.
Update: While they have only had them for a few days both Karl and Dave Mackey plan on doing all their trail running in Bondis despite the less pronounced lugs. The trail Mafates outer sole lugs wear quickly on the road. I did a brief run down the aisles in the Bondis and they felt very responsive. The forefoot is noticeably more flexible than the Mafates. They seemed to be half size small on my foot.
I hope to test a pair soon and likely will run Boston in them. I am thinking they will prove themselves after Heartbreak Hill on the downhill and into the homestretch. As far as the wild look and colors, I say go with it!
Karl Meltzer who did an incredible 2064 miles in 50 days along the Pony Express Trail in Hoka One One Mafates was also in the booth and looking none the worse for wear. Told me it would have been impossible to pull off his feat and still have feet in any other shoe! His last day on the Trail was across the flats of Nebraska for 105 miles and he said the next morning he was ready to run again. I believe him.
Available in early to mid February. Wasatch Running Center,Salt Lake Running, Boulder Running Company have them and will ship.. I expect there will also be a limited number of other stores and online retailers. Will update dealer list when I hear.
Other recent articles about Bondi-B and Hoka One One:
Outdoors Magic UK 1/24/2011: Hoka One One founder is quoted as saying that Hokas are intended “to allow people to run longer, to run more often, and to run without injury”. Based on my experience with Mafates, I agree, I believe Bondi-B will be even more versatile.
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I visited Hoka's booth and talked to Nicolas Mermoud, co-founder about their new road shoe the Bondi-B.
The Bondi-B is 8.8 oz in size 9 vs 10.8 oz for the Mafate. Bondi-B has 10% less cushioning than the original Mafate which should make them snappier without losing the leg saving properties of all the midsole foam. Update: Running Times Outdoor Retailer article reports a 4mm heel to toe drop. When combined with the soft foam I believe the Bondi is effectively zero drop.
The upper is lighter and the toe box is seamless on top. It does not have the middle seam of the Mafate. The seam was never an issue for me but it seemed unnecessary. Glad it is gone. The rocker sole seems a bit more pronounced. Hoka's are stiff and rely on the rocker sole to keep you in a short, forward leaning, mid foot efficient stride. You can feel this stride and unlike other shoes stride form seems to stay consistent even when tired. Update: I interviewed Karl Meltzer, podcast coming soon, and according to him one of the key strengths of the rocker sole is that it allows a faster cadence than other shoes he has run ultras in such as LaSportiva Fireblades and Montrail Vitesse. The Bondi-B outer sole is designed for road use.
Update: While they have only had them for a few days both Karl and Dave Mackey plan on doing all their trail running in Bondis despite the less pronounced lugs. The trail Mafates outer sole lugs wear quickly on the road. I did a brief run down the aisles in the Bondis and they felt very responsive. The forefoot is noticeably more flexible than the Mafates. They seemed to be half size small on my foot.
I hope to test a pair soon and likely will run Boston in them. I am thinking they will prove themselves after Heartbreak Hill on the downhill and into the homestretch. As far as the wild look and colors, I say go with it!
Karl Meltzer who did an incredible 2064 miles in 50 days along the Pony Express Trail in Hoka One One Mafates was also in the booth and looking none the worse for wear. Told me it would have been impossible to pull off his feat and still have feet in any other shoe! His last day on the Trail was across the flats of Nebraska for 105 miles and he said the next morning he was ready to run again. I believe him.
Available in early to mid February. Wasatch Running Center,Salt Lake Running, Boulder Running Company have them and will ship.. I expect there will also be a limited number of other stores and online retailers. Will update dealer list when I hear.
Update 2/15: Took first runs in Bondi B and they are great. See my post here
Update 2/21: More impressions after several runs here
Update 3/12: Post with video from Hoka One One on shoe performance.
Update 3/12: Post with video from Hoka One One on shoe performance.
Other recent articles about Bondi-B and Hoka One One:
Outdoors Magic UK 1/24/2011: Hoka One One founder is quoted as saying that Hokas are intended “to allow people to run longer, to run more often, and to run without injury”. Based on my experience with Mafates, I agree, I believe Bondi-B will be even more versatile.
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