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hello everyone today is an exciting day out on the trails I've got the Puma DV8
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Nitro Elite Trail in for test did I did I get that right Puma devi8 Nitro Elite
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Trail yes I did this is going to be my first run in this shoe I got this shoe a couple days
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ago walk my daughter to school in them and that's it as far as them being
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outside Outdoors on the ground very excited to test these out latest Super Shoe from Puma I think this is going to
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be a real tender just based on how it felt walking around the house you got super critical nitrogen TPU foam with a
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very energetic carbon fiber plate I could feel the energy just walking around inside my house so very excited
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to get these on the trail and see if these are really going to be a super shoe Contender for 2025 so yes I
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definitely wanted to try these on in my little intro here just to
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demonstrate kind of the f that I got I obviously tried them on inside the house
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I walked around a little bit got these here Ultra weave upper as it says here
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there's a few interesting features about this upper that I'll probably take a stop after I run in a while get a feel
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for them and then I'll dig a little deeper in but as you can see I've got these in a US 9 and a
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half got about I'd say 3/4 of a thumbs width here but the fit is just perfect
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you can see as a I Lac these up not even having to Snug
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them down you could see how this upper on the sides really didn't move at all just at
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least for my foot perfect tensioning feels like a perfect foothold again I'm going to have to get these out on the
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trail all right so let's
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go I did bring along a few shoes with me that I have initial thoughts
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that they may be comparables I'll go through my run I want to do a kind of solid run here and
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then I'll see if what I thought pre-run matches what I kind of feel Post run so
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I have them in the truck I'm going to save the big comper reveal for post
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run another warm day out here I think we're going to hit 60°
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I was testing Brooks Catamount 4 and version 3
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yesterday and it was also quite warm I don't plan on coming back to the car for
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a refill button these guys up all right let's go
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[Music] So the plan here is to get solid say 10
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to 15 miles in today had a little Hill coming out of that parking lot may have to catch my breath before I keep talking
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here this is my first run in this shoe first uh almost a mile on foot now still
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getting used to them run a bit more before I chime in a bit I'm super pumped to be testing the shoe for the moment I
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saw it at TR I was I think I said it was the most exciting shoe that I saw there
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just the look of it the color the sleekness the foam nitrogen TPU even in
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hand it felt so good seeing the carbon plate knowing there was going to be a
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potential race option across not sure yet how much distance or duration but
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the fact that Puma seemingly bringing a road Super Shoe setup almost directly to
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the trails is very exciting so I will stop much later on look at the uppers
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very closely pop the shoes off for sure I just have to say right away heel hold
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is feeling really excellent the shape of It kind of wrapping around and above my
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heel bone especially you see the picture it's a
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carbon plate it's not forked in any way solid kind of Dipping spoon shape into
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the forefoot I'm not feeling any slippage at all I mean that's a great
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great impression for a carbon plated chew on the trails right out the box
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quick little Gully back there I like the way these Pumas handled that didn't sense any wobble kind of hit some rocks
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on the way across bit steep on the way down and I didn't really slow down too much can really feel that sense of uh
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unsteadiness BS well for stability so far so I am going a little bit higher today
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it's been dry so I should be able to get some good more rugged terrain here I do want to test stability of the shoe being
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such a high stack being carbon plated really need to get some thoughts on that
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right away quick specs here I've got these speced at 3630 6 mil drop I manually measured them
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and I did get 38 mm at the heel So based on that I would say 38 32 when I stop
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for a closeup we're going to take a closer look at that weight is coming in at 9.5 oz in my sample us 9.5 that's 269
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G please see a note down in the description below about that measured
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weight I'll try to keep the most upto-date information regarding the weight in the
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description below so take a quick scan on that one
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ground platform here I measured 106 at the 4T 69 midf foot and 81 at the heel
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check my what I wrote on my hand the midfoot and the heel pretty standard for a lot
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of trail shoes I wouldn't say nothing out of the ordinary 106 under the 4ot is
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a bit narrow especially for a higher stack some of those higher stack shoes especially Super Shoes do have a wider
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4ot base so that's something I'm going to key in on again thinking about stability out here on the trails uneven
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terrain it's narrower under the 4 foot than most shoes kind of in this stack
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range so it did make it up that hill pretty well traction I tell is very good
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I mean you've only got 3 mil lugs but on kind of steep sandy stuff I
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wasn't really noticing too much slipping maybe a couple times um some of those spots were a
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little pebbly and stuff I mean stuff is just going to roll no matter what so
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yeah heading up that hill there it flecks pretty well climbing a lot of Stack got a plate there it didn't feel
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overly rigid where I had trouble climbing couple little wobbles at times
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you know with uh going slower climbing Higher Ground contact time sometimes
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especially if the legs are tired get a little extra wobble then you would at
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PACE in these again cuz it's just reacting so quick off the ground but for
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me I'd say nothing that's not manageable I did not feel Tippy at all feel pretty
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stable it's really good so far so continuing on here hang
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right head up that hill probably hike it so I could talk a little bit about the
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shoe 6 mil drop sounds about right feels
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accurate doesn't feel like eight doesn't feel like four spot on kind of in line with other six mil drop shoes sometimes
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you know that could be questionable depending on the brand and model so I said 38 I measured under the heel that
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puts 32 under the 4ot and that 4 feels great 32 feels like a lot very cushioned
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uh no bottoming out very Dynamic lot of energy you can feel that impulse from
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the plate in conjunction with the Nitro foam also I don't feel any rocks getting
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through very protective I don't feel any of these points right now getting to my
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foot the cushion feels great front
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midfoot rear again kind of jamming on some pointy stuff here nothing is
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jabbing me in the bottom of the foot that's excellent also I don't feel the firmness from the plate especially under
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the forefoot I don't aside from kind of the propulsion I don't feel any firm
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plate anywhere under my foot that's also very good just passed a guy hiking in
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the new SI Ultra Glide I told him these were better sorry hot take they're
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cheaper too all right I'm 45 minutes in here good time to take a look at the upper
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you'll notice I've got a US 9 and A2 they felt a little bit snug when I first
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put them on I'm going to pop them off in a second here I put my thin socks on I was a little concerned they might be
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tight but after only you know 45 minutes feel like definitely got a little bit more space I
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mean the way I laced them you could see there's no bunching these fit my foot
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like a glove so I'd say if you have a medium foot you'll definitely want to go true to size here my toe is here so I'd
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say that's a little less than a full thumbs width if I wanted to wear thicker
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socks and if I I wasn't sure distance-wise about these if I was thinking about going for a 100 mile 100K
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kind of distance I probably want to go with a 10 especially now that I know that the heel hold is so good in this
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shoe I probably want to go with a thicker sock and size up by a half but
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you could definitely go true to size if you're going to wear medium or thinner weight socks with these if you have a
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narrow foot you'll definitely have no problem with these you can snug these down maybe if you have a very wide foot
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you may want to go half size up right away just cuz it's really like a race
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type fit really good couple details I'll point out here
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the lacing is somewhat interesting you have this power tape kind of I guess
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that gives some structure to the foothold but then you have a wider Gap here you have eyelets here and then a
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wider Ghillie here and you have a kind of a space over the top of the foot and this is actually you know this is my
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foot right here I guess that's the top bone or part of my foot and the laces are you know going right around that and
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it kind of gives some zonal separation between down here and typically I like
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to lace maybe the one or two top rows pretty tight and leave this loose in a lot of shoes and I think this really
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helps with that because it doesn't pull the tension across you know it doesn't
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even it out to the bottom where you don't want it it gives kind of a separate section down here and here I haven't seen this um or maybe I just
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haven't paid attention you know this this kind of spacing between the bottom and the top I haven't seen that before
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so that's interesting and I like it this here it's not stretchy um you may think
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of some of the Hoka models there this is just I it's for
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breathability I guess it kind of separates the section of the upper here
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maybe inherently gives a little bit more flexibility to the upper but this itself
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doesn't stretch lacing them off here the tongue is pretty thin not
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really padded at all there's a few perforations but I don't notice any I
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think cuz the fit is so good and the wrap is so good I don't notice any lace bite at all so even though there's an
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absence of padding here they do give a nice soft edging there's no hard edges around here so that's nice um gusseted
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on both Sid the gusset is just this foamy kind of thing it looks actually pretty cheap but I I guess it's just not
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so the tongue doesn't move around because the fit is so good I don't think it really matters but you know it just
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looks kind of cheap on the inside I talked about measuring and how I measure 2 Ms higher for the stack at
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the heel there's not a traditional insole there's kind of like this layer
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here that's pretty thick that it may be about 3 Ms of a kind of a foam
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insert that is glued down so this black part here it's got some perforations it's not an insole I can't
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take that out it's glued to the bottom of the shoe so it looks it's more than 2
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mm I'm pretty sure of that so however they measured um their 36 maybe they
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included that but didn't include the lugs or or or something going on there but that seems to give I guess a little
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extra stack on top of whatever they measured so I do have 38 like I said
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that I measured and that this part goes all the way through to the 4ot and I'm
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really trying to see what it is it's just it's a it's a closed cell
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it's not an ortholite type of thing it's very soft and it it has a really great
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feeling under fooot I can imagine this probably top layer contouring over time
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to the shape of the bottom of your foot which would be really nice nice um it I mean it feels nice out of the box um but
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perhaps you'll get even more customization out of that the foam Nitro
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TPU I don't notice too much you know there's different sections here I'm not certain if
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they're they feel about the same I don't think they're any different in terms of
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softness again that plate is in there let's I don't it's a carbon plate this
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is a plasticky thing I don't know what if that just gives maybe support under
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the arch so you don't kind of collapse down too much being that it's a softer
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kind of TPU not sure what about that there but quick
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Flex you know with a carbon fiber plate full carbon you know not forked anything
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like that this is a decent amount of torsional flex I have to say and and
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look at the the rear also and the same I I never like bending them in half that
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always people do that and I don't like to do that with my shoes but just get a
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sense of it it flexes pretty well but then yeah it's stiff this way so when
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you push into it yeah you'll get that propulsion but as I said I was going up those Hills up and down and it didn't
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seem like stiff like if my heel was wanting to pull out it just seemed like it was flexing pretty well on the climb
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so really excellent performance outs soole there yeah they're not you know mud
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designer they're 3 mil so that's kind of low but I didn't really have any issue I think this shoe was really designed for
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fast runnable terrain anyway and this stuff you know this is
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kind of like what I'm running on and dirt and sand and it's gripping very well in this
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so it for me it's great so far all right let's head back out again
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lacing up I think I wanted to leave this left one a little looser this
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time tighten this up and you see those didn't move at all so I like
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that and let's take a look at the heel I mean it's the shoe is bending the
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shoe is flexing and my heel is is is in there you know it's
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not not moving a millimeter not pulling out at all it's great but what about the
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speed how fast is this shoe is it going to rip out here
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well I'm about to head on down there wind my way down there zip around
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and down I think I'll be able to go pretty
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fast get up Pace check on here once I get going all right let's see 540 per
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cruising flat section here 545 yeah
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un extended very steep descent little bit of sliding forward here not
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excessive but little bit so that was exciting
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about 9/10 of a mile descent there a
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little under 6 minutes average paste in a shoe that I've had on my feet
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for only about five or 6 miles definitely fun I am going to have to go
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back up though so let's go oh I haven't been here quite a while through the
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winter this will be fun nice and Scenic
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too really excellent ride here this kind of rolling mix single track just feels
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smooth doesn't feel overly High has That
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Bouncy feel yeah still feels controlled don't feel like
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I'm in a full wild Road Super Shoe es
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kind of stability level here feels a little bit more tamed the cat is tamed a
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little bit for the trail so just hit about 6 and 1/2 miles about an hour in I
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am going to I'm do an out and back here so I'll get a solid 13 in I just kind of
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want to run this Trail back down on the slight descent just think it'll be
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really fun instead of kind of going up and around for a big loop maybe another day maybe another comparison test so I
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ran that last descent there 3/4 of a mile 618 Pace I was just really letting
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the leges turn over wasn't really trying to run fast uh I thought it'd be fun it was fun
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Sho great that kind of scenario running fast quick
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cruising great now I do have to run back over to
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the other side though he might have caught me have a
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little twist on a rock back there something I alluded to earlier stability
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is really good relative to this being a high stack carbon plated Super Shoe of
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course ground feel is pretty muted in these you have the plate in between I
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don't feel the ground too much it's bouncy on top of that very energetic if
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you hit an uneven spot like that especially I'd say at slower Paces
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slower Paces that lingering ground contact time I think you'll have more
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instability there if I'm running quicker maybe on a descent or whatever my ground
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contacts are so much quicker so much shorter that even if there's a slight
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wobble at times I'm just getting off the ground so quick that it's not as bad I
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mean I really have to test this shoe out a lot more but I would say one thing I have to
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pay attention to is whether this shoe is going to work at slower Paces or at
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least it could possibly not be as stable
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at slower Paces quick upper check-in here about 8 and 1/2 miles no hot spots
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nothing on the big toe nothing on the pinky side nothing around the ankle
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collar the heel no issues at all even with this kind of racy fit I don't
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there's nothing popping out at me that could potentially be a concern over
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time kind of manage the shoe through that little steep and rocky area back
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there yeah it's it's a little high and the bounciness you do have to be careful and
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Rocky uneven terrain like that especially if it's Steep and especially
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if if you're going downhill I kind of dialed back my steps a bit made sure I
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was getting good Landings on my midfoot I was still able to you know run pretty
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quickly through there it's just not plowing through with abandon you know
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that's that's something I guess with experience a lot of shoes more experienced Runners can get better
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technical range out of them cuz you just kind of know when you need to manage your massage a shoe through a particular
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area I'm coming up on a big Rocky descent on the other side of one of
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these Mounds here that'll be somewhere in that dip there that's the one I climbed up earlier should be a good test
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I am kind of hitting more downhills on the way back here I am noticing that instability a little bit more I guess on
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the way out more uphill didn't notice it too much on the way back steeper
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descents those rocks you definitely have to uh massage them through probably
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overly technical areas if there's space for your footsteps and it's just a
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little bit uneven they're fine but stuff like that last section where it's just Rocky with the Ste this you kind of
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don't have as much time to react that's when you got to be careful in these for sure but that's not necessarily
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different than any of the other high stack Super
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Shoes all right so I'm going to cruise on back down through that Gully there
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back around to the car and then check out some comps
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little water there for good measure see how they feel when I get back to the car should be about 15 minutes or so didn't
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bring my scale though have to go based on feel with this one all right back at the truck first
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check quick wet test not as extensive as my one on humble running
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but let's see socks wet obviously very thin mesh here you could
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see my hand through through the mesh this is nonabsorptive you know a little damp cuz my sock was in there the tongue
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again synthetic mesh there's really nothing to soak into
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inside this shoe if I weigh this I would be surprised if it gained anything
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noticeable so looking at comps here this is the shoe I wore on my way here Brooks
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Catamount 4 this is also plated but it has a paback plate late a little bit
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different feel I had these shoes side by side in the house cuz I was doing uh Catamount 3
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vers 4 AB test yesterday and it was noticeable how the carbon impulse was
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much more Dynamic than the packs the paback feel feels good on the run I notice it compared to say a nonstiff
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non-plated shoe but compared to the carbon that's in here this one's just
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more Dynamic the foam is bouncier the fit on this one definitely
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wider noticeable room in the toe box here surely a racy fit in this one
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you'll definitely have more space I do have this one in a 10 and this is a 9 and 1/2 yeah so some of those steep
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ascents back there that's where having maybe a half size up us10 again N9 and a
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half here that may come into play I did notice a little bit of foot slipping forward I didn't get too jammed up in
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the front of the toe box but if I I was thinking for long distances of course foot swelling I I probably definitely
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want to have a a 10 in here um but aside from just the half sizee difference this
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is broader more spacious in general even if this was in a 10 next option I've got here this is an
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oldie but a goodie salony endorphin Edge this shoe has been discontinued I
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thought of this shoe right away um for one the colors of course another is very
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aggressive carbon plate I knew what the plate looked like in this one you know not forked anything like that this one
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has a very aggressive carbon plate very bouncy power run PB foam and this is something that it's kind of wild on the
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trail I would say they ride similarly the stack is noticeably higher than this one this one definitely feels I don't
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know what the stack was on this one I have to double check that but the PB foam definitely packed down a bit at
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this point I feel way closer to the ground and this shoe here here in terms of the uppers this is just there's a lot
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of loose odd areas in this upper was never a strong point of this shoe unless
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perhaps you had a high volume foot I struggled like some spots were tight some spots were like a little weird heel
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hold was not that great great upper in here both energetic
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carbon plated rides stack height is definitely you know the Foams are bouncy
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kind of similar in that regard but the stack height is more in this one this is really could be a longer distance shoe
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this one really not so much let's see I got two more here I got
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the meta Fuji Trail this I thought you know it's carbon plated very stiff this
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is this shoe was I I almost didn't I almost forgot how stiff this is you can almost not Bend this shoe but it's so
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soft underf fooot I guess that feeling is somewhat similar but this is very
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unforgiving in terms of ability if you look at what's going on Under Foot here
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this is just so narrow and and there's such a bulbous amount of foam under the
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front here it it's very teety th this is way more stable I mean so I I just don't
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really know about this shoe especially now that this one is out I couldn't see
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why you would want to go for this one if you wanted to have that real kind of cushy bouncy feel underfoot with a plate
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I think you get get all that with this shoe and it's more stable and the upper is better the upper here is just it's
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okay it's nice and wide and comfortable but it's it's not so dialed you know I have to kind of really tension it to get
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a good hold here and again it's just generally unstable so it's not a shoe I
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really am in love with it's not a shoe that I really like perhaps I I may do some AB testing with this one perhaps
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against another shoe that I have next in line just just to kind of I don't know
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reset my thoughts maybe it's I don't know we'll see and last but not least the Adidas
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terx agravic speed Ultra another one with a long name Puma deviate Nitro
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Elite Trail I would say right off the bat these are two runnable plated super
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and these are plastic carbon rods in this one but has a similar effect of the carbon plates that are in their Road
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shoes may have to try these on side by side I feel like this one feels a bit
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higher if you look again similar to the metap Fuji look how narrow this Adidas
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is the the stability on this one is just it's just lacking you know that's just what you're dealing with they tried to
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offset it by giving you a wide huge forefoot you have to run aggressively on the forfoot forward lean in the shoe to
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make it work um you have to be at faster Paces you have to be a good runner strong ankles everything to run in this
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shoe I think this one is probably going to be more versatile for most Runners it
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has a more for giving ride and has a more standard width under the midfoot and also the
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heel it's just going to it's definitely more stable than this shoe I'm not sure
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about the speed yet I haven't run in this shoe in a while I have to have a kind of refresher on this one to see if
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I feel like this shoe is faster they both have that kind of bouncy midso type of energetic feel I
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want to say this one feels like it has more pop but again I'm going to have to have a refresher on this one to get a
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feel for it again the upper fit on this one definitely night and day much better
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this you know you see my little thing here this heel is is just not good
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there's weird people have weird foot issues with it being too long but then
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too wide and just like having to do strange lacing to get a ankle hold it's just something they really need to
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dial in with the next version I mean they need to go with the shape and the setup of this upper on
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this shoe and it'll make it work better I'm sure even with this midsole kind of
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platform setup here if you had a dialed upper like this on top of this Sole and
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outsole unit it would make the instability feel a little bit better cuz at least you'd feel that your foot is
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strapped to the shoe properly and you're not like fighting kind of a high toll
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stack versus fighting your foot feeling insecure in the shoe
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so these are my line I I think those are pretty good comps um I'd have to go back and look around and see if there's
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something else um that popped out at me but again I wanted to you know there's definitely good shoes if you checked my
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recent reviews um my recent AB tests there's a lot of other good shoes but unplated okay so I wanted to just check
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on the plated options here here first of all again this is my first run I got about I think it was 151 a little over
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13 miles so solid lots more testing to come love it the ride was excellent
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can't think of too many negatives aside from having to manage some stability but I think that goes with the territory
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with this type of shoe again look for a full multitester review on road tril
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run.com and continue testing of this shoe I'll definitely check back back in as I
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continue to pile on and add up the miles in the shoe thank you for
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watching all right I'm back at the house now I did have one slight concern I
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wanted to point out and I think it was after going through those slight water
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Crossings it's this top Edge right here I started feeling a little bit on the
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back of my achilles not um yeah okay it's not that
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bad a little bit towards the end again after
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I think the water with my sock being wet made it feel a little bit more noticeable there that is
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something I do want to take a look
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at I have maybe slight irritation it's not a blister or anything like
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that this is from before it's always on and off
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but looking at that right here it is a little interesting that they went so
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high with this Edge it's not a full flare out it's like
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kind of a half flare it's just high it's soft in here but at the top it's not
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totally rigid but a little bit I don't know it's kind of like in between it's a
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little bit of a weird set up I don't know why they went so high with this and if they were going to go with a flare
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perhaps they could have you know angle this out a little more as most of them tend to
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be that is an area I will pay close attention to I felt it more on my left
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foot towards the end which is weird because normally I feel those kinds of things on my right foot
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typically um yeah anyway definitely something to point out
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um maybe if you're sensitive it's a high Achilles collar now that I'm looking at
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it more closely yeah more extensive testing to come on this it's back there
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that may be a situation it's all right sure I'll cut
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it no problem it's only YouTube it's not real