tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post978254355097720500..comments2024-03-18T19:18:40.822-06:00Comments on Road Trail Run: Hoka One One Speedgoat 4 Multi Tester ReviewSam Winebaumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-5799653023308357782021-07-16T02:23:44.220-06:002021-07-16T02:23:44.220-06:00I just ordered the Hoka speedgoat 4, because I nee...I just ordered the Hoka speedgoat 4, because I need a replacement shoe halfway through the UTMB, even if I go with the nike terra kiger 7, I think I will need something even more comfortable to finish this course, I just wanted to bring a precision on the size, for the future buyers, I take a 10 for all my shoes, brooks catamount, nike terra kiger 7, hoka mafate speed 2, brooks caldera 4, there is only for asics trabucco max that I should have taken an 11, because they cut very small, and for the speedgoat 4, I had to take a 10.5, which size exactly like my nikete terra kiger 7, if I had taken a 10 it would have been too tight in length, and especially less wide, which would have been a problem for me, with a 10.5, the forefoot is just perfect.guillet jean jacqueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837577071892430289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-66959263112145948762021-02-22T15:25:58.475-07:002021-02-22T15:25:58.475-07:00Thanks Jeff and Jeff.
The reviews you do are aweso...Thanks Jeff and Jeff.<br />The reviews you do are awesome, Road Trail Run has become an invaluable resource every time I need a new bit of running kit.<br />Having now done a few kilometers in a pair of New Balance More Trails I can definitely say that I prefer the SG4s, I just wish they would hold together a bit longer - I'll be getting another pair to see if I've just been unlucky.<br />Thanks again for the awesome work sharebeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00513336901115946957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-63565941863301344202021-02-22T15:21:18.875-07:002021-02-22T15:21:18.875-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.sharebeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00513336901115946957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-64667794910222724132021-02-21T07:01:35.553-07:002021-02-21T07:01:35.553-07:00Hi Sharebee, I have had no issues, but I only have...Hi Sharebee, I have had no issues, but I only have 74 miles on mine. I'll keep an eye out though as I run in them more (still a favorites shoe).Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-7170531377642188412021-02-20T15:19:12.339-07:002021-02-20T15:19:12.339-07:00Hi sharebee,
The plastic overlay coming off in th...Hi sharebee,<br /><br />The plastic overlay coming off in the pictures above were from my pair, and the problem got much worse. Instead of just being loose in one small area, that whole overlay is separated from the rest of the shoe - almost looks like little wings. Interestingly, it is only on one shoe (the right) but it is on both the lateral and medial sides of that shoe. The left is pretty beat up, but the overlay isn't delaminating in any way.<br /><br />Knowing that these were early samples, I attributed it to them still working out the kinks in production, however, I did find one very odd element to the SG4. I bought another pair, same size but different color, and found that they fit very differently. The toebox felt very cramped, and I sent them back without running in them - but I did take some measurements with my calipers to see if I could figure out why they felt so different. The second pair was almost 3mm narrower, and that was measuring the midsole/outsole (lining up the same place lug to lug). Not sure which of the two pairs was the anomaly, but it was close enough to my goal race I didn't have time to source more pairs to test out, and went a different direction come race day. Perhaps there were production issues early on, and they made some changes - which resulted in the the slight shape/size change.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01491871518212256938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-72828871634034537102021-02-20T11:43:17.398-07:002021-02-20T11:43:17.398-07:00HI, I've been running in Hoka's for some y...HI, I've been running in Hoka's for some years typically road, this is my first pair of SG's I really like them but want to comment on longevity. After only about 300k in my SG4's the clear plastic rand had worn a hole through the fabric of the upper. The wear follows the line where the rand ends and the upper starts. After the wear became evident it was only about 20k before there was a hole right though. This is exactly the same for both left and right shoes.<br /><br />Interestingly I had previously returned a pair as this same rand was coming away after only two outings, perhaps 40k. I was told that there was a manufacturing issue with that colour (orange) and replaced them with red/black ones. I notice in the pictures on your review that the shoes you were testing also seem to have a similar issue.<br /><br />Otherwise the SG4 have been great, really grippy on wet mud and when the trails were icy, very little wear on the sole. On an unrelated note I did trim the tongue down after they caused me some initial pain where they meet the ankle as they are quite stiff. Trimming worked fine and as the material is bonded there was no separation issue.<br /><br />Due to the lockdown I've only been running around a local park (6k circuit's 85M ascent each) Typically 80/20 Trail (mud) / pavement up to 100k per week (rotating trainers) I'm interested to know if anyone else has experience of this issue? Or am I doing something odd?sharebeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00901259699737719472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-65126525150204325102021-01-06T07:48:53.416-07:002021-01-06T07:48:53.416-07:00Thanks for reading and thanks for the feedback the...Thanks for reading and thanks for the feedback theorist, interesting to hear different perceptions. I don't have a concrete answer or explanation, but there are many factors at play, like age of the shoe, temperature, variations in runner weight, terrain, stride, run style, preferences or just how one feels on the day. Either way, I have really enjoyed the SG 2/3/4 and are heavily favored at the top of my rotation.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-91897256979941403732021-01-05T00:38:35.726-07:002021-01-05T00:38:35.726-07:00"I didn’t notice much difference in underfoot..."I didn’t notice much difference in underfoot feel between SG3 and SG4."...."The Speedgoat 4 ride feels the same as the Speedgoat 3"..."the Speedgoat 4 feels the same to me as the Speedgoat". <br /><br />These observations surprised me. I own both the SG2 (which, as you and everyone else says, has the same midsole as the SG3), and the SG4. And I find a night-and-day difference between their midsoles. The SG2 is super-soft, while the SG4 is (for a Hoka) relatively firm. The SG2 is so much of a marshmallow that it is unusable for me as a trail runner. During descents, I tend to land on my midfoot-forefoot, and the SG2's forefoot compresses so much that its 4 mm drop turns into more like 14 mm, making me feel like I'm descending in high heels. Plus it compresses so completely that it feels like there's no cushion left--I'm essentially bottoming out (the taper in the thickness of the sole in the front probably contributes to this).<br /><br />If the SG2 does indeed have the same midsole as the SG3, then everything I've written about the former should apply to the latter (and also to the Evo SG, which has the same midsole as the SG2/SG3).theoristnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-16157440507331847352020-07-03T06:20:39.467-06:002020-07-03T06:20:39.467-06:00Hi all. Anyone else have any issues with MTPJ pain...Hi all. Anyone else have any issues with MTPJ pain in these shoes. I got a pair a while back and really like them but seem to get severe pain in my 1st MTPJ on both feet whenever I run them. Don't seem to get it in any other shoes (even the Evo speedgoat). I notice that the only way to alleviate is to run a bit more flat footed (trending towards heel strike): im predominantly a forefoot striker and tend to favour more flexible shoes for this reason. The torrent seems to be perfect ride for me but the upper is a little loose @ midfoot and would love a smidge more cusion to see it through a 100miler. Any advice/feedback welcome. CheersAndyHydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215643862485947819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-44387370401440647652020-06-15T22:29:00.073-06:002020-06-15T22:29:00.073-06:00Anonymous, probably the Xodus 10, though we are ab...Anonymous, probably the Xodus 10, though we are about to receive the Canyon TR for review, so with even more cushion/stack than the Xodus 10, could be closer. Stay tuned!<br /><br />Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-4475757268018805382020-06-15T22:15:09.628-06:002020-06-15T22:15:09.628-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-3940298655248147022020-06-15T21:30:12.056-06:002020-06-15T21:30:12.056-06:00Hi, what could be Saucony's most similar model...Hi, what could be Saucony's most similar model (if any) to Hoka Speedgoat 4?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-9498927972708180222020-06-10T07:56:12.996-06:002020-06-10T07:56:12.996-06:00Jeff thanks for the reply,
That Salomon (besides t...Jeff thanks for the reply,<br />That Salomon (besides the hideous colorway) is extremely intriguing and has their TA compound. If I was running 50 miles no way in that shoe but as you know the majority of this endeavor is probably fast hiking and running where you can. Shoe is totally made for these type of conditions. An expensive gamble but it would also make a great hiking shoe. Short of the Salomon’s stickier compound that Xodus 10 is gonna be hard to beat I’m thinking?<br />The Arc Teryx is a no go. More expensive and reports that the heavy overlays at the base of the lace area start to dig into the top of the foot over time. Even with REI’s excellent return policy I’m going to pass on that one.<br />So no one else in your crew has thoughts on the Mtn. Racer for this 50 mile beat down? I might possibly give the Speedgoat 4 a tryout even though I don’t like some of the changes they made to it. Thank you REI, Topo as well. Hoka even has the SG 3 in my size and if they are still doing the 30 trial thing might even give those a go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-85826777599223112020-06-08T11:14:28.711-06:002020-06-08T11:14:28.711-06:00Speedgoat 2/3/4/EVO have great grip in all conditi...Speedgoat 2/3/4/EVO have great grip in all conditions I have tested in (Colorado), but sounds like you have forefoot width concerns for longer distances, which is a valid concern depending on your foot. Have you considered the Salomon XA Alpine Pro or Arc Teryx Norvan LT 2? We have reviewed both and have outstanding grip, secure yet accommodating upper and excellent protection.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-57996354008535161262020-06-08T08:29:44.119-06:002020-06-08T08:29:44.119-06:00Gentlemen would you please compare these to the Sa...Gentlemen would you please compare these to the Saucony Xodus 10 (I’m currently testing these with 60+ miles now in the White Mountains) and the Topo Mtn Racer. I spend the majority of my time using these for running/hiking in the Whites and am looking for that Nirvana shoe for my August time frame 50 mile, 17,000 foot gain Hut To Hut Traverse run/hike. The Saucony Xodus 10 has been extremely impressive thus far. They basically disappear on your feet for miles, toe box is decent, and traction has been overall pretty darn good. Wet slab and smooth rock I’m wishing for even better though hence the shoes with Vibram MegaGrip soles like the Speedgoat and Mtn Racer. Crazy as it sounds the tall lugs on the Saucony had a tendency to give/slide on the tenaciously grippy rocks of the Northern Presidentials but the shoe itself is comfortable as heck with great lockdown. Speedgoat toe box concerns me for 50 miles of technical rocks. Mtn Racer toe box shouldn’t be an issue but is that shoe ok for 50 miles in August temps, and what many reviews describe as quite a firm ride although some are running Ultras in them. I could care less about a muted dull feel and probably would prefer that for overall protection. Not interested in anything that has the less sticky Vibram XS-Trek compound. Thought the LaSportiva Jakal might have been an option but not liking reviews thus far. Lycan 2 perhaps a possibility as they increased the lug height on the non GTX version. Moderate stack height.<br />Eagerly waiting for the release of the Altra Olympus 4. Much more aggressive looking, better lugs, more MegaGrip than previous versions which I have used extensively for hiking up here and run in allot. Uber comfortable shoes and better IMO than their highly touted Lone Peaks. Altra should make a mid version of the Olympus for sure.<br />All thoughts and other suggestions are welcome. My Nirvana shoe might be the Saucony with the VJ MAXx sole. Also of importance if you’ve read this far (hopefully) is I weigh 165lbs in the birthday suit and am 62 years young going on 45 ��Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-19657692915293086472020-02-01T21:09:08.948-07:002020-02-01T21:09:08.948-07:00600 miles is a lot. Although the shoe may look re...600 miles is a lot. Although the shoe may look relatively good, I once compared my Speedgoat 2 with ~125 miles with a brand new one and the difference was surprising. I would guess there may be a "max pack out" point, I am not sure if that is 75 miles, 150 miles or 600 miles, but would guess this could have something to do with it. I, like Sam, also wear calf sleeves, sometimes, but often on longer runs, as I think it helps too. Either way, I always think it is a good idea to rotate several pairs of shoes and never stretch them out for too long.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-41678641339467855032020-02-01T20:04:19.530-07:002020-02-01T20:04:19.530-07:00Hi Unknown,
At 600 miles they may have lost cushio...Hi Unknown,<br />At 600 miles they may have lost cushion and collapsed somewhat. Calf cramps are most often caused by nerves stressing out due to efforts greater than usual, races. I used to get them regularly in tougher trail races and even some road races. I always wear calf sleeves racing and have never had cramps in the calf since. Other than that the stiffness of the SG3 may be a factor especially if run hard uphill or on the flat.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-41760985843620644112020-02-01T19:11:21.701-07:002020-02-01T19:11:21.701-07:00Hello, I've worn my SG3's for about 600 mi...Hello, I've worn my SG3's for about 600 miles of running and noticed I started getting severe spasms in my calf muscles for my longer runs (50K). I read in your review of the SG4 that the heel was changed from the SG3 to be more wider. I was wondering if you've heard complaints from anyone regarding muscle spasms in the calf area being attributed to the shaping of the SG3 heel and whether or not the SG4 might cause similar calf problems? (If indeed, the heel shape is to blame)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05675330241942442911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-73266894870031922192019-12-30T09:54:07.412-07:002019-12-30T09:54:07.412-07:00Wow that was fast. Cheers! I will stay tunedWow that was fast. Cheers! I will stay tunedAndyHydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215643862485947819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-75456771476173657912019-12-30T09:48:14.323-07:002019-12-30T09:48:14.323-07:00We don't get a ton or rain here in Colorado, b...We don't get a ton or rain here in Colorado, but I have run in the SG 2, 3, 4 and EVO in wet conditions or in mix of snow, wet, rock, slab and have never found traction to be an issue. I have a few friends who use the Speedgoat for mountaineering and even class 5 scrambles, so think the Vibram Megagrip should suffice for just about any wet trail/slab conditions. We are currently reviewing the Saucony Xodus 10 however, which might be exactly what you are looking for. Stay tuned....Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-24447872684916279222019-12-30T09:37:48.275-07:002019-12-30T09:37:48.275-07:00Cheers again for another amazing review. Recently ...Cheers again for another amazing review. Recently got a pair after reading and love them. However, ive got a 100miler with 10000m vert in Snowdonia with lots of technical and rock slab(likely to be wet) as well as a bit of grassy/bog. Do you have a suggestion for a slightly more aggressive shoe with great wet rock traction (I like a low drop, bit of cushion, precise fit and stable) that'll see me round 100miles cheers for your help!!AndyHydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215643862485947819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-35740633968640746692019-11-14T18:14:10.455-07:002019-11-14T18:14:10.455-07:00Tough choice! The Hoka is certainly more built up...Tough choice! The Hoka is certainly more built up and maximal, but both offer very good all day protection and traction. Cascadia 14 has a slightly more generous forefoot, but both fit me very well. If you want more “normal”, then Cascadia 14, but if you want max cushion, then SG4. Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-90911332084475283442019-11-14T17:24:47.281-07:002019-11-14T17:24:47.281-07:00Thank you for the great reviews. Seriously conside...Thank you for the great reviews. Seriously considering this shoe but am wondering how it might compare with the updated Brooks Cascadia 14? I'm planning on signing up for Pikes Peak Ascent so I need a great trainer. BTW, the Torrent you gave great reviews to became my favorite trail shoe. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02422667072209348215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-19870350417186006092019-11-08T14:17:57.543-07:002019-11-08T14:17:57.543-07:00The fabric that connects the tongue to the shoe, i...The fabric that connects the tongue to the shoe, is much thicker and less breathable than that of version 3. It looks like neoprene.Σπύροςhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04458499979955678552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-16336494280549239402019-11-02T07:09:06.340-06:002019-11-02T07:09:06.340-06:00HI Anonymous,
The overall platform at the forefoot...HI Anonymous,<br />The overall platform at the forefoot is wider under foot and I assume the upper given wide last will be as wide lasts typically are (don't wear wide personally) in terms of fit of rest of the shoe.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.com