tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post966548844738643590..comments2024-03-28T06:26:26.652-06:00Comments on Road Trail Run: Nike Air Zoom Terra Kiger 5 Multi Tester ReviewSam Winebaumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-24800047303352072842019-07-31T10:36:24.448-06:002019-07-31T10:36:24.448-06:00I completely agree with Dom about the heel issues....I completely agree with Dom about the heel issues. My experience is the same, with the heel counter/collar being too high and too stiff, and I have no idea what Nike was thinking with the pointed rear heel that juts out. That alone is a deal-breaker for me. Everything about the shoe feels pretty great, so it's really unfortunate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-49970190129594061502019-06-13T11:10:52.036-06:002019-06-13T11:10:52.036-06:00Hi Joe,
Thanks so much for valuable insights!
SamHi Joe,<br />Thanks so much for valuable insights!<br />SamSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-68590600081754843442019-06-13T09:12:04.385-06:002019-06-13T09:12:04.385-06:00Not sure anyone is still reading at this point, bu...Not sure anyone is still reading at this point, but for the prospective buyer I do find the comments useful, so here goes.<br /><br />- The React foam throughout feels great - soft and yet responsive. More cushy and less firm feeling than the Kiger 4. Combined with the rock plate I feel this negates the need for a Zoom Air unit in the heel, and it might be a better shoe in the heel if they did away with it.<br />- The heel 'wedge' feels inconsequential to me, and doesn't interfere with my stride, but does kick mud up the back of my legs which is a bit annoying.<br />- Outsole grip is slightly better than the Kiger 4 in muddy conditions but is just as hopeless on wet rock. I don't think the tread pattern is as much as a problem as the rubber compound. Really wish Nike would invest in a better akin to Salomon's Wet Traction Contragrip. Something more sticky but still durable enough to make it a shoe that will last.<br />- Fit is true to size, but I felt that about the Kiger 4. Foot hold overall is superior to the 4 throughout, provided you get the lacing right. It's a sock-like and slimmer feeling shoe, with a less padded tongue, so there's more room to make lacing adjustments. It takes some work it get this feeling secure but when you nail it, it feels superb.<br />- Definitely a significant overhaul and a step forward for the Kiger but with room for improvement. I'm happy I went ahead and made the purchase. A great door-to-trail and all rounder for drier conditions.Joe S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-56339701877196134292019-04-09T02:09:58.828-06:002019-04-09T02:09:58.828-06:00Just some feedback on sizing:
My size 42 arrived ...Just some feedback on sizing:<br /><br />My size 42 arrived and the length is true-to-size compared with other shoes. No way I can imagine down sizing especially with the low forefoot overlay. Fit is good in forefoot and heel, a bit wider through the midfoot/arch compared with Salomon/Inov8. Hope foothold is OK with the fairly stretchy upper. I love the responsiveness/bounce of the shoe - I really wish Salomon could make a more lively shoe with something equivalent to the react midsole (the Sense 6 is a perfect shoe otherwise).Bobcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419147808285360690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-5832276806844288342019-04-04T14:53:39.492-06:002019-04-04T14:53:39.492-06:00I have the Terra Kiger 4s and really like them. I ...I have the Terra Kiger 4s and really like them. I was anxiously awaiting the release of the 5's. Just want to throw some comments out on sizing-<br /><br />Initially for the 4's I was running in a size 9.5, the fit was awesome, but after some time I realized that they were slightly cramped in the front since I was usually running faster stuff in the TKs. I got my next pair in a size 10.0 and they were perfect - nothing was lost in the secure foothold, and gained a bit of extra space to avoid crunching my toes at times.<br /><br />I just received my TK5 size 10.0 - and they is definitely more space in the forefoot than the TK4. I have to really tighten the laces and even then I feel like there may be some foot sliding. I already ordered 9.5's, and I'm 95% sure I'll be sending back the 10s. Michael Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-34043781700245672802019-04-04T11:46:40.547-06:002019-04-04T11:46:40.547-06:00Dom you were right, going down 1/2 was the right m...Dom you were right, going down 1/2 was the right move and they fit great. My first true to size in a Nike. Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09108489642680746325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-12416862455500595042019-04-04T04:25:57.505-06:002019-04-04T04:25:57.505-06:00Thanks Dom, Jeff, useful info - I've ordered i...Thanks Dom, Jeff, useful info - I've ordered in my regular size.<br />I will give some feedback once they arrive. Unfortunately the red colorway is not available in Europe yet. Will have to go out and find mud to cover the fluorescent colors.Bobcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419147808285360690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-88664507004398048642019-04-03T15:53:06.249-06:002019-04-03T15:53:06.249-06:00Sorry, I am a bit late to the party here. Thanks ...Sorry, I am a bit late to the party here. Thanks for all the kind words and I for one really appreciate constructive criticism and like to hear how we can improve our reviews. It is an ever evolving process and we put a lot of heart and soul into what we do, a labor of love where the time we spend testing, writing, revising, taking photos, doing research, collaborating with one another, working on comparisons and then following up for years sometimes in the comment sections far outweighs any cost savings of scoring a free pair of shoes. We all love it though!<br /><br />As to sizing, I have not worn a Kiger 4, so can't compare. As I mentioned in the review, I am normally a size 10 and almost passed because the only pair available to me was a 9.5. I am glad I tried the 9.5 though, as they fit me perfect. In fact, I have more room in the 9.5 Kiger 5 than I do the size 10 La Sportiva Kaptiva I am reviewing now.<br /><br />As far as the heel goes, I have searched for the instability that Dom mentions, but could not find it personally, but Dom and I have different feet, running styles, terrain preferences. I have found that I can move quite fast over most terrain, no matter how technical and not experience any instability. I have run for decent stretches of fast downhill singletrack, mostly smooth, but curvy, with the occasional rock garden thrown in at sub 6 pace, even sub 5:30 pace at times (coming within seconds of PR) and found no issues, so I think it all depends on a host of variables unique to the runner.<br /><br />Outsole longevity, if you run solely on steep rocky terrain at fast paces, the Kiger 5 may not hold up as well as some other shoes meant specifically for that. That is OK, as no matter how well the K5 can do that for a while, it is just not meant for that entirely (consider XA Elevate, Bushido2, Kaptiva or even Hoka Torrent).<br /><br />Scoring, this is tricky for sure and I agree, the relative high scores can be misleading on their own. We have discussed this several times and have not come up with a rock solid solution that will satisfy all. I try to be constructively honest and even if a shoe or product does not suit my needs, I try my best to consider the ideal use and target market and be cognizant of that in my scoring. For example, Altra just does not work well for my foot shape combined with the technical terrain I frequent. However, I very much respect what the company is trying to do and how wildly popular they are, especially in the Ultra world. I score generously based on a host of factors, not just how they work for me.<br /><br />Anyways, thanks again and thanks for supporting RoadTrailRun!Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-3851491899301676692019-04-03T15:04:28.662-06:002019-04-03T15:04:28.662-06:00@Bobcat,
I suggest you get TK5 in your regular sh...@Bobcat,<br /><br />I suggest you get TK5 in your regular shoe size. In the past I'd bought TK1 through 4 in 1/2 size bigger than my regular size, but TK5 runs true to size.<br /><br />In regard to the "Salomon feet" question, I find Salomons consistently too narrow. But both Sam and Jeff regularly wear Salomon shoes, and they both liked the fit of the TK5.<br /><br />-- DomTelemarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464416054977970508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-47721001133038258652019-04-03T13:18:15.380-06:002019-04-03T13:18:15.380-06:00How is the fit for those of us with "Salomon ...How is the fit for those of us with "Salomon feet"?<br />Should I go down a size? (I've never run in Nike before)Bobcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419147808285360690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-67609225158382114472019-04-03T12:16:26.675-06:002019-04-03T12:16:26.675-06:00Hi Chris,
Just checked the comments again, and sa...Hi Chris,<br /><br />Just checked the comments again, and saw your question about sizing compared to TK V4. As I said to Emre, I would lean toward dropping 1/2 size down from your V4 size.<br /><br />Apologies for not catching this sooner. Sounds like you already ordered same size as previously and found them a little larger than expected. Please let us know if 10 works better for you, as I think a lot of people may have a similar experience.<br /><br />-- Dom<br />Telemarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464416054977970508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-61035585974759894382019-04-03T09:04:54.508-06:002019-04-03T09:04:54.508-06:00"What do you think of listing all scores up t..."What do you think of listing all scores up top and at the bottom of articles and averaging (be it 5 or 10 scale) so in the case of Kiger, Average tester score: 9.35 (8.7, 9.6, 9.7)."<br /><br />Whatever presentation that makes sense to you. I'm reading the text and reading between the lines there really more than looking at the score anyway, like you initially suggested. I only spoke up because it feels like every shoe gets an "A", and there seems to be a disconnect between the score (not low enough) and the text when a tester seems like they probably wouldn't buy a certain shoe with their own money.<br /><br />Average tester score has meaning for the readers, and it's good to see the spread in the scores. The spread is what makes people think, "Am I more like the runners that loved this, or more like the runners that didn't?" So I'm in favor of lower scores when a review doesn't get on with a particular shoe, because it increases that spread and makes the reader think more. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-12702658761472853342019-04-03T08:45:13.404-06:002019-04-03T08:45:13.404-06:00Hi Sam,
I'm not sure I'd call Dom's d...Hi Sam,<br /><br />I'm not sure I'd call Dom's downhill experience with the Kigers just subjective. He could very likely find that he is slower in downhill time trials in them, making that an objective disadvantage, for him at least. <br /><br />As for the heel rise in shoes, I agree with you that that single dimension doesn't tell the whole tale, including the part that some shoes are effectively negative drop (Hoka Huaka for one, with the large cutout under the heel). I also agree that most runners are heel strikers. But I know what I need personally, having run 33 years, and probably nearing 100,000 miles.<br /><br />Currently and for the last couple years, if I try to run in shoes with heels higher than about 5-6 mm, my right Achilles (at insertion) will begin to ache/become inflamed after several runs if not immediately. When I'm in shoes that are around 4 mm heel or lower, the Achilles will feel better/recover. It's kind of the opposite of what many experience, and in fact the opposite of what I experience a decade ago with a non-insertional Achilles injury, when it recovered fully while using a shoe with 10 mm heel. But I can make sense of it. The lower heels put an eccentric load on the Achilles for a runner like me that lands mid- to forefoot, which is exactly the kind of load that is recommended therapy (eccentric heel drops to flat). Similarly, last summer when I had a flare up, I went for a 12 hour run in the mountains, which included probably 9 hours of uphill running/hiking that provided eccentric therapy for all that uphill time. That single day's effort cured my Achilles, and I didn't notice any morning stiffness or any hints of injury for months until I happened to go back to using some of my higher heeled shoesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-64874220199002781072019-04-03T05:59:45.593-06:002019-04-03T05:59:45.593-06:00See red here : https://www.runningwarehouse.com/Ni...See red here : https://www.runningwarehouse.com/Nike_Zoom_Terra_Kiger_5/descpage-NITK5M3.html?from=rtrSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-58047883951100928282019-04-03T05:16:46.813-06:002019-04-03T05:16:46.813-06:00Has the red colorway been axed? (also the blue one...Has the red colorway been axed? (also the blue ones for woman)<br />I don't see any red ones for sale...Bobcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419147808285360690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-39618251424946813132019-04-02T14:47:24.276-06:002019-04-02T14:47:24.276-06:00For what it's worth, I got my Kigers in the ma...For what it's worth, I got my Kigers in the mail today. I would have never thought to order a second SMALLER pair to compare as I've always been a 10.5 in Nike Trail shoes...but I might have to agree with Dom. I'm ordering a 10 now to compare. My normal 10.5 feels longer and "less fitted" which was a surprise. Maybe it's just the new fit, but they do not feel like the same size, so I'd recommend folks try sizing on both ends if possible. Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09108489642680746325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-82066193908561788502019-04-02T13:04:57.092-06:002019-04-02T13:04:57.092-06:00Hi Anonymous,
Jeff has added comparisons to Sense ...Hi Anonymous,<br />Jeff has added comparisons to Sense Ride 1 and Ultra Pro. Thanks for asking.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-4224495957607407372019-04-02T11:59:47.712-06:002019-04-02T11:59:47.712-06:00Would love to see more comparisons...you review so...Would love to see more comparisons...you review sooo many salomon shoes, but only compared it to the S-lab 7. S-lab sense Ultra (3 versions), Ultra pro and Sense Ride seem much more in the Kiger 5 class and I know you guys were all over those shoes early on. Unless you are preparing a side by side review of all of those like you do, then I will patiently wait.:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-21351799371747834952019-03-31T08:08:55.325-06:002019-03-31T08:08:55.325-06:00Hi Anonymous,
Thank you very much for taking the t...Hi Anonymous,<br />Thank you very much for taking the time to provide very useful advice and perspectives. We used to score out of 5. I think your approach of taking out of 10 then -5 and rounding is interesting to consider. As far as subjective personal scores that is the beauty of different voices. What I worry about is that the non deep or technical reader for whom a shoe will be just fine will dismiss it out of hand based on a particular very individual very low score. That is why when very low scores happen the reviewer is asked to explain as carefully as possible why in narrative and deductions. Same for a very high score. We all see and use shoes differently based on all kinds of factors that is why we have recently added the tester profiles. What do you think of listing all scores up top and at the bottom of articles and averaging (be it 5 or 10 scale) so in the case of Kiger, Average tester score: 9.35 (8.7, 9.6, 9.7). As far as drop, the absolute number is less important than the overall design construction and materials making up the shoe. I have zero issues with the 4mm drop in the Kiger and many Altra. However, and many runners are kidding themselves if they think they have a nice forefoot mid foot strike to the bitter end of a long run or race or even at ll. An overly soft or firm midsole or outsole can make even a 4mm drop shoe a negative drop or a harsh board when heel struck. The opposite is true for me anyways, A 10mm plus drop with a firm heel and poor transition to mid foot is misery too. My personal happy medium is around 6mm where many shoes are headed, thankfully I say, and away from the extremes. <br />We will continue to strive to improve and thank you for your contributions.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-81792797272102405552019-03-31T07:34:20.316-06:002019-03-31T07:34:20.316-06:00"Anonymous,
We encourage readers to read the ..."Anonymous,<br />We encourage readers to read the detail and analysis and not just focus on the scores. Overly subjective very low scores are not useful either."<br /><br />I think it would actually be useful to have more "subjective very low scores" because ultimately, almost any judgment on a shoe is very individual. There are shoes that have been rated very well here or elsewhere that I don't like at all, and I'm sure others have similar experiences. To balance that out, you've got multiple testers, which is the greatest strength of this site, which makes it about the only review site that is worth following. I think the scores would be more meaningful if the spread in scores reflected that individual preference more.<br /><br />I've had the same feeling about some shoes as Dom about downhill stability, so I pay attention to that text, but as someone that runs up and down hills all the time, would not rate such a shoe 8.7/10 even if it were perfect otherwise. Similarly, I cringe whenever Sam says something like, "This shoe would be great if it had an extra 4-5mm in the heel", as I worry brands would take that advice and make everything with higher heels, but I'm OK with it knowing that it is often balanced out by other reviewers that like the lower heels.<br /><br />My impression is that the scores out of 10 are like school grading, where only the top half of the range is being used. In school 50% is an F. For product ratings for shoes, which is inherently subjective, I like the scores out of 5 (such as out of 5 star Amazon ratings) with the entire range being used. To translate between your scores and what I think is more representative in my mind, I subtract 5 from your reviewers' given scores and take that as out of 5 and round to the nearest half. For instance, Dom's score 8.7/10 becomes 3.5/5, Jeff's 9.7 becomes 4.5/5, your 9.76/10 becomes 4.5/5. That feels more realistic to me anyway.<br /><br />Jim said... <br />"Uh...you’re free to start your own shoe reviews website? 🤷♂️"<br /><br /><br />Just site feedback for Sam, and can be ignored if he doesn't agree. I have no desire to review shoes.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-88328167097643548842019-03-30T20:52:07.914-06:002019-03-30T20:52:07.914-06:00Dom- Now you have me wondering. Jeff and Sam say g...Dom- Now you have me wondering. Jeff and Sam say go with same size as V4. I was the same 10.5 in both V4 and V3, which is 1/2 larger than other brands, but that’s always been the deal with Nike. I can’t remember how V3 and V4 compared. <br /><br />I’m ordering on Monday. Would you agree with Sam and Jeff to stick with my v4 size? Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09108489642680746325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-57640359233758149192019-03-29T12:31:35.850-06:002019-03-29T12:31:35.850-06:00To the poster that commented about Nike changing t...To the poster that commented about Nike changing to the big swoosh on the final design. Same. Was so bummed out to see that change. Makes them look cheesy. Like a bad basketball shoe. Terrible design choice. Prototypes looked MUCH better with the small swoosh.michael_burkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544155107862724420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-26027236816798682342019-03-29T12:20:40.619-06:002019-03-29T12:20:40.619-06:00Emre,
In comparing sizing between TK3 and TK5, I ...Emre,<br /><br />In comparing sizing between TK3 and TK5, I think that TK5 runs a little bigger. I found I preferred the fit of the TK3 when I moved up half a size (US M10.5) over what I typically wear in most running shoes (US M10). However, in the TK5 the sample pair I received were M10 and felt about right.<br /><br />So buy TK5 in same size or 1/2 size down from your TK3. Don't size up.<br /><br />-- DomTelemarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464416054977970508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-84695884639191919942019-03-29T08:48:10.266-06:002019-03-29T08:48:10.266-06:00Hi Anonymous,
Thanks for your kind words and advic...Hi Anonymous,<br />Thanks for your kind words and advice. Much appreciated. The points system is a challenge and we will ponder some more. The key purpose really is for the reviewers to express take a stand specifically as to where the shoe needs work, didn't work for them more than the actual total. Any ideas to help achieve this are welcome.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-10112541227815092472019-03-29T08:39:20.034-06:002019-03-29T08:39:20.034-06:00Not wanting to come across negative here too, I th...Not wanting to come across negative here too, I think the reviews here are really great and thorough - one of the best review sites (if not the best considering the frequency and volume of reviews) on the web. However, its another vote from me against the points system - I understand that its very hard to give points, but I do wonder if presenting them actually takes something away from the reviews, rather than adding to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com