tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post4727437215765378682..comments2024-03-28T21:52:44.835-06:00Comments on Road Trail Run: Hoka One One EVO Carbon Rocket Initial Runs Impressions Review: Explosive Power!Sam Winebaumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-91040776093269778472019-02-18T07:21:04.170-07:002019-02-18T07:21:04.170-07:00Hi Anonymous,
Don't have my Tracer to compare ...Hi Anonymous,<br />Don't have my Tracer to compare but Rocket unlike Mach has rigid heel counter. Very stable heel although on the ground platform is narrower than other Hoka such as Mach.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-72263835363911514042019-02-18T07:17:00.063-07:002019-02-18T07:17:00.063-07:00Hi, Sam
how is the shell at the heel? as soft as M...Hi, Sam<br />how is the shell at the heel? as soft as Mach or as rigid as the Tracer2 ,?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-8000798543081039262019-02-14T09:34:47.373-07:002019-02-14T09:34:47.373-07:00Hi Caleb, Thanks for reading and purchasing with o...Hi Caleb, Thanks for reading and purchasing with our link and discount code. Glad you are enjoying them. Workhorse as you say for long fast miles a good way to describe! hey will get a touch more flex far back where the foam color changes. I think it is a polarizing shoe as the feel is different than many shoes and Vaporfly. Flat, stiff and stable might be a way to describe it with lots of forefoot cushion of the stable firmer variety as well.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-37467553342227245862019-02-14T09:24:16.982-07:002019-02-14T09:24:16.982-07:00Sam,
Like I said, I wear 12.5s in everything else...Sam,<br /><br />Like I said, I wear 12.5s in everything else from Asics to Hoka. <br /><br />That's good to know that RW has a great return policy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-59423079784013731602019-02-14T09:08:34.702-07:002019-02-14T09:08:34.702-07:00Sam -
Purchased a pair (using the RTR19 discount...Sam - <br /><br />Purchased a pair (using the RTR19 discount on RW, of course) of these on your initial praises for the shoe and I have not been disappointed! I haven't ran a true tempo in them yet, but I have a 4 mile at HMP with 4x200m after planned for this Saturday. Based on my initial runs I think these are going to be a workhorse for me. I am hoping the shoe gains a touch more flex after some mileage. The upper is executed perfectly, though, at least for my tastes. <br /><br />CalebCalebEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10480519756730890275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-13931663595632449662019-02-13T18:24:15.124-07:002019-02-13T18:24:15.124-07:00Hi, thanks for the great review.
Will the Hoka On...Hi, thanks for the great review.<br /><br />Will the Hoka One One EVO Carbon Rocket or the Zoom Fly FK work with orthotics?<br />What do you think the durability will be compared to the Kinvara?<br />Toddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-18859374021812052062019-02-13T15:57:01.669-07:002019-02-13T15:57:01.669-07:00HI Anonymous,
Covered in the review as follows: &q...HI Anonymous,<br />Covered in the review as follows: "My first run was in medium thickness Stance socks and fit was true to size if a bit short and snug, particularly in the area of the little toe bunion so this is a quite narrow front of toe box. My second run was with "appropriate" thin Compressport Race socks and more comfortable with no bunion pressure. No question this is a race fit type upper and stuffing thick socks into them at true to size is not the way to go.". This said one of other testers for our full review went true to size and might have sized down. What other shoe models and sizes that work can you share so as to maybe get closer. Hope you will consider purchasing a Running Warehouse via the links above. Purchases help support our work. Thanks! They have very reasonable return policies and fast shipping.<br />Sam, Editor<br />Sam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-7575886661774602372019-02-13T15:39:06.245-07:002019-02-13T15:39:06.245-07:00How did sizing work for you in the shoe?
When I p...How did sizing work for you in the shoe?<br /><br />When I put my size into the True Fit guide on Hoka's website, it tells me to get a 13 (I usually wear 12.5s), but when I asked a Hoka representative on Instagram, they said 12s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-17808397717235393382019-02-13T10:40:06.813-07:002019-02-13T10:40:06.813-07:00Thanks for the reply Sam!! Wish you the best!!!The...Thanks for the reply Sam!! Wish you the best!!!The zoom fly it was a bit unstable while cornering and caused blisters on my achilles tendon if i didn't wear thick shocks but it was a super cushioned shoe fast and with springy feel.Saucony freedom iso is a fast and light shoe with great cushion but lacks of responsiness!!Spiroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027852216984898094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-5522921855043908502019-02-13T05:56:08.083-07:002019-02-13T05:56:08.083-07:00Hi Spiros,
Thanks so much for kind words! The team...Hi Spiros,<br />Thanks so much for kind words! The team will keep at it!<br />Obviously lighter weight shoes generally are faster shoes but given your weight (how tall?) not every light weight shoe will be ideal.<br />Did you find the Zoom Fly thin in the forefoot? The Freedom not cushy ioned enough?<br />One of our key testers Jeff Beck I think is about your weight and race pace, a bit faster. He likes the NB 1080v8 (great all around trainer) a lot and has just tested the Ultra Boost 19 (heavier protective but fast for him shoe). You might for your faster running also look at the Nike Zoom Vomero 14 or Brooks Launch or Saucony Kinvara 10 ( the lightest of the bunch) but with decent support and good cushion.<br />Reviews of all at the link below.Sam, Editor <br />Thanks for reading Road Trail Run! See our page with links 100’s of in depth shoe and gear reviews <a href="http://www.roadtrailrun.com/p/blog-page.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>. You can also follow RoadTrailRun on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Instagram where we publish interesting run related content more frequently as well as links to our latest reviews. <br />Shopping through links on articles help support RoadTrail Run and is much appreciated!Sam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-53835710074904618622019-02-13T04:30:40.184-07:002019-02-13T04:30:40.184-07:00HI Sam
Thank you for the great reviews and the fee...HI Sam<br />Thank you for the great reviews and the feedback you and the your collaborators give to us.I would like to ask your opinion about the best running she for overweighted runners like me >90 kilos and ~pace 5.20min/km.I wud like a shoe with max protection but at the same time to provide me some spring effect!For me the best shoes at this category I have tried are NIKE ZOOM FLY & SAUCONY FREEDOM ISO.Now I'm running on mizuno wave sky 2 they do provide caution absorption but definitely they do not allow you to run faster than 5.40min/km!!Greetings from GreeceSPIROSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-29599968060275890552019-02-12T09:10:15.893-07:002019-02-12T09:10:15.893-07:00Hi Jim,
I love the Fast and its yet lighter weight...Hi Jim,<br />I love the Fast and its yet lighter weight but all around due to the Carbon plate and more cushioned forefoot I personally would lean towards the Carbon for a half.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-25034818352019666392019-02-12T08:56:24.218-07:002019-02-12T08:56:24.218-07:00Any thoughts how this might compare to the non-Pro...Any thoughts how this might compare to the non-Pro Floatride Run Fasts for something like a half?Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-81519748844270426402019-02-10T16:56:19.110-07:002019-02-10T16:56:19.110-07:00Thanks Sam - phenomal feedback!!Thanks Sam - phenomal feedback!!Chad Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417264293515151136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-6979110969368305302019-02-10T15:42:02.707-07:002019-02-10T15:42:02.707-07:00Hey Chad,
Duo is great! Have to refresh my memory ...Hey Chad,<br />Duo is great! Have to refresh my memory with a run in them soon to compare but yes quite a few similarities including drop. The Duo is more flexible and has about 5mm more stack all around so clearly more cushioned than Rocket where the plate is also in the mix. I will say right away that Rocket is more decisive in its rebound and I believe somewhat firmer, due to the plate and less the midsole. I could barely tolerate the Tracer 1, its stiff firmness didn't give me much back while the Rocket while on the firm side gives back in spades in a flat consistent stable fashion. Of course as noted above in the comparisons the Rocket has more stack 5mm more in the forefoot and 2mm more in the heel than Tracer. I don't mind firm shoes at all but not ones which don't give back. For example the Reebok Fast Pro has a super low stack but for short races are my go to as the combination of the Pebax midsole and the outsole give back big time while of course being firm and thin.<br />Sam, Editor.Sam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-77408738865970383632019-02-10T15:30:32.412-07:002019-02-10T15:30:32.412-07:00Sam,
I know the Altra Duo doesn’t have a plate, bu...Sam,<br />I know the Altra Duo doesn’t have a plate, but from a weight, stack, and drop perspective the Rocket and Duo aren’t far apart. The Duo is my go to right now and I find them to be extremely versatile for anything from speed work up to very long long runs, and even some trails. The Duo midsole has pop and protection and for me feels very efficient. Just interested to hear your thoughts - this is first Hoka I’ve been tempted on in a couple of years. Like others, I really liked the Tracer 1, but I have always wished that shoe had a little more energy return for the amount of firmness it had. <br /><br />Thanks,<br />ChadChad Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417264293515151136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-14101174474920919662019-02-07T07:29:43.603-07:002019-02-07T07:29:43.603-07:00Hi Unknown,
Very different rides between the Rocke...Hi Unknown,<br />Very different rides between the Rocket and Clifton 1. The Clifton 1 is softer and bouncier and for me very unstable at the heel. (wouldn't be surprised if they contributed to your PF quite frankly). Rocket is firmer, much more stable but well cushioned and instead of bounce feel has a snappy response. If Clifton works for you and at your marathon target and if you have successfully run a marathon in them I might lean towards Clifton, first trying Rocket for shorter races to see how it goes.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-10255693573507238582019-02-07T07:29:10.303-07:002019-02-07T07:29:10.303-07:00Sam
I suppose you could also throw the Beacon in ...Sam<br /><br />I suppose you could also throw the Beacon in the firmness comparison scale as well, since I have and like the Beacon.<br /><br />MichaelMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-68539197736181115052019-02-07T07:25:11.492-07:002019-02-07T07:25:11.492-07:00Hi Michael,
Razor 3 for me ends up having a firmer...Hi Michael,<br />Razor 3 for me ends up having a firmer and lower feeling heel than Rocket as I heel strike and there is not much rubber at the heel so I sense bottoming out. I weigh 165 so for you if you can keep the tempo up and off the heel may not be an issue. I would struggle more later in a marathon in Razor I think than Rocket despite its 1mm drop. This said overall Rocket is firmer feeling than Razor but at the same time more cushioned as it has greater stack (26/25 vs. 23/19 for Razor) despite the wonderful characteristics of Hyper Burst foam, springy and zingy.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-82438936370405324482019-02-07T07:15:57.568-07:002019-02-07T07:15:57.568-07:00Would you recommend HOKA Rocket or Clifton 1 for r...Would you recommend HOKA Rocket or Clifton 1 for running a 3:37ish marathon? I have the Clifton 1s and like them but wondering if it would be better to race in the Rockets. also, currently have PF which the Cliftons help support. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07091025926303705888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-64544224067476645422019-02-07T07:15:15.256-07:002019-02-07T07:15:15.256-07:00Sam
I really enjoyed the Carbon Rocket. I was doi...Sam<br /><br />I really enjoyed the Carbon Rocket. I was doing a workout (WU, Tempo, Repeats, CD) and it felt very responsive and fast.<br /><br />So you are saying the Razor 3 is firmer than the Carbon? I am a lighter runner (~145 lbs) with fairly fast cadence. Do you think I would experience the bottoming out on the Razor? Or do you suggest I get and try both and return what I don't like?<br /><br />MichaelMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-61019869635234915112019-02-07T05:44:23.107-07:002019-02-07T05:44:23.107-07:00Hi Michael,
Great race times.
How did that first ...Hi Michael,<br />Great race times. <br />How did that first run go in Carbon Rocket?<br />As before firmness depends on pace.<br />In terms of firmness yes Turbo softest overall but thin feeling up front, Mach fairly soft but balanced feel heel and forefoot, then Carbon firm but best cushioned of all, then Razor 3 for its heel which while soft becomes firm as it tends to bottom out with its forefoot very well cushioned. Overall if training plus racing the two Hokas are the most balanced in softness and cushion, the Turbo softest and good for slow training for me, and Razor only for faster running. So you have context I run my halves these days between 1:35 to 1:39 on a good day, my race shoe recently for those Vaporfly, for 5K Reebok Fast Pro, for 10K to half Vaporfly but next I will try would be first Carbon, then Razor. I raced one half in Mach 1 and it was OK but stiff. As far as instep trouble Clayton 1 gave me issues on first run for a few miles, Clayton 2 very little, Mach none but people all have different foot shapes. I think flatter wider mid foot feet have the most trouble in Clayton.<br />Sam, Editor<br />Sam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-90053967557419518262019-02-06T19:06:24.412-07:002019-02-06T19:06:24.412-07:00Sam
I just finished my first run in the EVO Carbo...Sam<br /><br />I just finished my first run in the EVO Carbon Rocket, so you can use that shoe as a comparison standard between the Mach 2 and Razor 3.<br /><br />I think I'm a pretty decent mid foot striker, but my easy day paces are ~8:00/mile. My 5k race time is 18:36, 10k 41:32, Half 1:33:00.<br /><br />In order of firmness (softest to hardest) does it go Turbo, Mach 2, Razor 3, Carbon? I am seeing great reviews of the Razor 3, and pretty positive reviews of the Mach 2. I had instep trouble with the Clayton and Mach 1, and as such I am leery. I am not sure I need both shoes so I am trying to decide which to get.<br /><br />MichaelMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-70506604368996033592019-02-06T14:25:14.690-07:002019-02-06T14:25:14.690-07:00Hi Michael,
Yes Turbo is as you describe as there ...Hi Michael,<br />Yes Turbo is as you describe as there is no carbon or other plate in the mix with the soft but rebounding Zoom X foam to stabilize it. Mach 2 is somewhat firmer than Turbo and more cushioned than Razor 3 with a bouncy ride vs. a springy zingy ride for the Razor 3. If you are not a regular forefoot mid foot striker then Razor really should be reserved for faster days and races, as intended. What are your training and racing paces? Mach is more a trainer in feel and utility but it can race as well. It's midsole and ride is not as distinctive in feel as either Turbo or Razor.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-15742655861864271302019-02-06T11:22:36.884-07:002019-02-06T11:22:36.884-07:00Sam
One follow up question:
I have been running ...Sam<br /><br />One follow up question:<br /><br />I have been running in the Pegasus Turbo and while it is cushioned, I am not loving the squishy / deformed feeling.<br /><br />How does the cushion / firmness of the Mach 2 compare to the Razor 3 Hyper? Do you consider one superior to the other?<br /><br />MichaelMichaelnoreply@blogger.com