tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post3402969632925222441..comments2024-03-28T06:26:26.652-06:00Comments on Road Trail Run: Hoka ONE ONE EVO Speedgoat Multi Tester Review: Light, Super Cushioned, Long Haul Comfort, Home Run Trail Race Machine Sam Winebaumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-17114606834689480782020-09-02T08:42:24.818-06:002020-09-02T08:42:24.818-06:00Tom, our conversation prompted me to run in the SG...Tom, our conversation prompted me to run in the SG4 last night on a very steep route and they really are awesome. With EVO SG, I would have never had enough control/confidence on such a route. SG4 rocks!Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-67229415894475518762020-08-31T17:21:35.082-06:002020-08-31T17:21:35.082-06:00man thanks for that great response and so fast! It...man thanks for that great response and so fast! It's pretty treacherous where I run and 30-40% grades, rocks, slabs, rock hopping, sidehilling, downhilling (onto rocks at the bottom before a hop to a slippery bridge!) and roots from hell are the norm... and really that's why I love it. Never the same. Never a dull moment. <br /><br />I will stick with the SG4 and my guess is that sooner or later we will see an iteration with some drainage and breathability.<br /><br />Many thanks!!tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09516271980722694262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-68363023604496788832020-08-31T15:12:49.236-06:002020-08-31T15:12:49.236-06:00Hey Tom, it kind of depends on how technical the t...Hey Tom, it kind of depends on how technical the terrain is and how fast you run. For my typical use, steep (sometimes as much as 30-40% grade), but often 15-25%, rock gardens, rock hopping, sidehilling and often moving fast, I much prefer the Speedgoat 4 for the better foothold. I find the ounce plus penalty per shoe to be a non issue. If less steep (up to ~10%?) and or less technical (some rocks/roots underfoot, but nothing sustained), the EVO Speedgoat works great and is a faster, more responsive shoe in those conditions. As far a breathability, I find both the SG4 and EVO to be good, but neither great.<br /><br />If you are pushing limits in the techy stuff, I would stick to the SG4.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-82655587792912525722020-08-31T13:39:37.753-06:002020-08-31T13:39:37.753-06:00Thanks to all for these very helpful reviews.
Je...Thanks to all for these very helpful reviews. <br /><br />Jeff, I have a question for you, since you seem to be the more technical-off-trail member of the testing team: How "deficient" is the Evo on technical runs? Would you choose the Goat 4 over the Evo? <br /><br />The cons for the G4, to me, are the weight, lack of drainage, and breathability. They run rather hot, I find. The EVO looked too good to be true, and sounds like you are saying yes, it is too good to be true for the technical crowd.<br /><br />Look forward to your response and thanks for tremendous insights here and on your site/blog.tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-35219210449373123352020-04-07T12:10:00.676-06:002020-04-07T12:10:00.676-06:00Hi Jugha, I would lean 9.5 in EVO as the stretch g...Hi Jugha, I would lean 9.5 in EVO as the stretch gusset gives a bit more width and they are also more flexible<br />Sam,EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-16669799993360099452020-04-07T11:49:24.912-06:002020-04-07T11:49:24.912-06:00Thanks for the review. A questions here about sizi...Thanks for the review. A questions here about sizing: normally I wear 9.5 in hokas (Clayton 1 and 2, Mach). Nevertheless, I have settled with size 10 in both Mafate 1 and 2. Where does ES stand compared to EMs in terms of sizing? thanks, Davitjughahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00889916228041878611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-77666601655383823612019-11-25T23:40:38.490-07:002019-11-25T23:40:38.490-07:00Hi from Cyprus!
Great review guys!
I have a ques...Hi from Cyprus!<br /><br />Great review guys!<br /><br />I have a question though:<br /><br />Are the insoles of EVO Speedgoat removable? As far as I realized from photos are not. <br /><br />If I need to use custom made insoles will I need to go a size up from my HOKA ONE ONE Clifton 5 (EU 44 2/3) since the EVO Speedgoat are true size?<br /><br />Regards.<br /><br />Mariosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-46222839540195292052019-10-14T14:08:00.311-06:002019-10-14T14:08:00.311-06:00Thanks so much Jeff! I did wear I mid sock but it ...Thanks so much Jeff! I did wear I mid sock but it was just sloppy in the heel and a it loose overall I have had Speedgoats before and was hoping the snugger fit in the same 8.5 may have hugged my feet a little more than the Mafate 2 but now not too sure! Thank You again.WAK Studioshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05681274223783371266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-89474151871085706672019-10-14T08:55:35.818-06:002019-10-14T08:55:35.818-06:00Hey Gavin, thanks for reading. I think that the E...Hey Gavin, thanks for reading. I think that the EVO Speedgoat has a bit more dialed upper than the EVO Mafate 2, but that said, I find that the EVO Speedgoat upper has more give to it than the EVO Mafate 2 and foothold overall is not as good. For less technical trails and flatter terrain, this may never be an issue, but was noticeable to me running fast on technical/steeper technical terrain. As far as sizing down to compensate, you may be able to pull that off, but am always reluctant to suggest, as there are so many variables at play. Maybe try a thicker sock? Sometimes just going from a very thin sock to a more midweight, padded/cushioned sock can make all the difference.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-76166455366679635932019-10-14T03:22:43.728-06:002019-10-14T03:22:43.728-06:00Hi I have just returned the Mafate 2 shoe as it wa...Hi I have just returned the Mafate 2 shoe as it was a bit sloppy on my foot in in an 8.5. I just couldn't get the lacing correct. I am considering an 8 but may be a bit small on length. However now I have seen the Evo Speedgoat I think I would prefer this so taking this into account would I be better with an 8 or 8.5 in the Speedgoat? Is the fitter snugger in the Speedgoat? Many Thanks!! Gavinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-86585738079739889642019-09-02T14:32:16.702-06:002019-09-02T14:32:16.702-06:00During past years I´ve run more than 1500 kilomete...During past years I´ve run more than 1500 kilometers in Speedgoat 2/3, Evo Mafate 1 and here´s my comparison between Evo Speedgoat (ESG) and Evo Mafate 2 (EM2) from perspective of 190 lbs runner with very-low volume foot (searching “too narrow” written in cons of any review is my proved shoe finding technique… :-) ). I run mostly in slower paces during long hauls. Sole – both are great, in dry conditions ESG is better / smoother, however in muddy and wet terrain there´s nothing to beat EM2´s deeper lugs. Midsole – ESG is softer but also far less responsive / slower for my weight category and somehow less stable in forefoot, also medial thicker profile of R-bound layer and deeper active foot frame shape in EM2 seems to add more stability in downhills, here EM2 clearly wins. Upper – heel cup is narrower and has better hold for me in ESG, forefoot is almost identical but little less dialed in ESG. But, where´s deal breaker difference for me, is midfoot. ESG is much wider than EM2 - just try to measure length of kevlar fibers between midsole and laces in both medial and lateral side of ESG and EM2. EM2 is in this way even narrower than its predecessor. Foothold for me was so compromised in technical terrain (for sure not extremely difficult trails), that I´ve to stop running in ESG due to pain in ankles and beaten calves. EM2 keeps my legs fresh for several hours. Also in Speedgoat 3 or in little more relaxed Evo Mafate 1 I had no problems with foothold at all. So… If you´ve low-volume foot and you´re “big guy” like me try ESG carefully on your foot… ;-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15708725319279335269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-35634798555731760432019-08-23T16:42:20.807-06:002019-08-23T16:42:20.807-06:00Hi Anonymous,
Thanks! A good comparison. I would s...Hi Anonymous,<br />Thanks! A good comparison. I would say not much context, EVO Speedgoat. At about an ounce lighter with a similar stack the EVO has more protection up front if a bit stiffer. The reason to lean towards Ultraventure would be if you have a broader forefoot even though the soft pretty much overlay free toe box of the EVO will handle somewhat broader feet OK.<br />Sam. EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-84853159300357958672019-08-23T08:55:29.696-06:002019-08-23T08:55:29.696-06:00Hi great review! What do you think about this shoe...Hi great review! What do you think about this shoe compared to the Topo Ultraventure? I am trying to decide which one to go with for my first ultra...ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-62040169152596026722019-08-21T00:46:15.182-06:002019-08-21T00:46:15.182-06:00Hi Martin,
When I did a side-by-side run with EVO ...Hi Martin,<br />When I did a side-by-side run with EVO Mafate 2 on one foot and EVO Speedgoat on the other, I found that the heel retention in the EVO Speedgoat was actually better, despite the fact that the EM2 has more padding around the heel collar. I attributed that to the EVO Speedgoat heel collar being slightly narrower (in the sense of the upper edge being folded in more in its relaxed state). The midfoot width felt about the same.<br />-- DomTelemarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464416054977970508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-36723014421682696952019-08-20T05:40:18.525-06:002019-08-20T05:40:18.525-06:00I know I mentioned it in a comment to recent Salom...I know I mentioned it in a comment to recent Salomon shoe and you said you'd look into it but I'd be very interested in seeing a review of the VJ Sports Maxx and XTRM in comparison to this shoe as I'm weighing up whether to go Speedboat or VJ Maxx for my first Ultra next year.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376695523469775554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-13283846846677203952019-08-19T18:00:16.788-06:002019-08-19T18:00:16.788-06:00Thanks Sam very helpful 👍Thanks Sam very helpful 👍Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18039064003691368398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-38327770637588069572019-08-19T13:13:18.658-06:002019-08-19T13:13:18.658-06:00Thanks for answer! One more question regarding fit...Thanks for answer! One more question regarding fit... What about heel and midfoot widht compared to EVO Mafate 2? Is EVO SG wider, narrower or same as EVO Mafate 2? Because in SG 3 I think, that heel cup is much narrower than in EVO Mafate 2, while midfoot seems same... Thanks!Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-87342760937438287932019-08-19T09:39:57.421-06:002019-08-19T09:39:57.421-06:00Martin, I have a knobby heel and occasionally wear...Martin, I have a knobby heel and occasionally wear through the padding on the inside of a heel counter in various shoes, but have not had that issue yet with any of the above listed shoes. It should be noted however, that it is quite rare for me to ever surpass 150 miles in a shoe, given the number of shoes that I review. On the times that I have worn my knobby heel through the padding in a heel counter, I have not experienced any blistering, discomfort or pain, just at most a shoulder shrug and "oh, hey, I wore a hole in those shoes". By the time that has occurred on those occasions, I felt like the shoes were nearing the end of their prime active running life anyways.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-59965221459850106762019-08-19T07:15:31.595-06:002019-08-19T07:15:31.595-06:00HI Bobcat,
I do have a durometer gauge. There is w...HI Bobcat,<br />I do have a durometer gauge. There is what I assume is a QC durometer measurement hole through the board in many shoes. I did just now re measure SG 2 (don't have 3) vs EVO SG and get about the same 31-32 which is for sure on the soft side of foams but given nature of my gauge should be considered approximate. The feeling of "softness" especially up front can in my experience also be heavily influenced by flexibility and here the EVO is clearly more flexible than SG 2.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-57761523455233839872019-08-19T07:03:05.380-06:002019-08-19T07:03:05.380-06:00Hi Morgan,
It is an EVO edition which is Hoka'...Hi Morgan,<br />It is an EVO edition which is Hoka's race tuned series. Not sure it will be on sale when SG4 comes out spring 2020. We do know see our YT preview here: https://youtu.be/VPr5eeFhrpo that the Speedgoat 4 will have a slightly wider forefoot platform, will gain some weight as a result to 10.8 oz and will also be available in Wide sizing. So clearly the SG4 retains the heavy duty plow through anything purpose while the considerably lighter EVO is the face flavor.<br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-73908003466387935592019-08-19T06:20:23.051-06:002019-08-19T06:20:23.051-06:00In general I find Speedgoat's to be the best s...In general I find Speedgoat's to be the best shoe for ultra running you can get, & so far I'm liking the Evo Speedgoat with its lighter yet softer upper. My only criticism is that I find the laces too stretchy, thus making it harder to get a solid lock-down! I may swap them out with my SG3 laces!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-24664295135904757202019-08-19T06:00:55.708-06:002019-08-19T06:00:55.708-06:00Maybe useful if you guys got a Durometer to test t...Maybe useful if you guys got a Durometer to test the foam hardness between models. For instance the Sense Ride 1&2 also seem like identical midsoles, but I swear the 2 is firmer. Maybe the same is true of ESG vs. SG3?Bobcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419147808285360690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-43383498077162705062019-08-18T21:13:48.862-06:002019-08-18T21:13:48.862-06:00Any reason it’s a limited edition & will it st...Any reason it’s a limited edition & will it still be on sale to compare to SPG4 ? Thanks Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18039064003691368398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-17679311770521315502019-08-18T13:35:38.690-06:002019-08-18T13:35:38.690-06:00What about heel counter inner material? I´ve weird...What about heel counter inner material? I´ve weird shaped both heels, so after several 100s of kilometers I usually destroy inner heel material of any shoe. I was surprised with durability of EVO Mafate 1 upper, which was obviously made for a war (over 400 kilometers with no rip in heel counters at all). But I was also unfortunately surprised with EVO Mafate 2 upper – I´ve destroyed inner heel material (clearly thinner/lighter than in version 1) in both shoes after 200 kilometers. So… Is inner material of the heel counter in EVO Speedgoat same as in EVO Mafate 2? Thanks!Martinnoreply@blogger.com