tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post1640075638569881586..comments2024-03-29T06:19:52.986-06:00Comments on Road Trail Run: Scott Supertrac RC - A Top Tier, High Performance All Mountain RacerSam Winebaumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-52024300257430341152020-09-16T14:34:16.880-06:002020-09-16T14:34:16.880-06:00Hi Marcel,
Would love to cover Scott but while the...Hi Marcel,<br />Would love to cover Scott but while they sell bikes (and do very well my wife has one of their gravel bikes) and ski gear it looks like they stopped running distribution in the US and sadly . I have reached out to their HQ as we have so many EU readers. Your comments are so on point. Ever thought of reviewing with our team? I assume you are in Europe. We now have the start of relationships with several brands in EU as you may have seen with our German reviews. If there is interest drop me a note via the Blogger Contact Form<br />Sam, Editor Sam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-30494296571700870022020-09-16T13:29:03.388-06:002020-09-16T13:29:03.388-06:00any plans to test the current Scott-Lineup?any plans to test the current Scott-Lineup?Marcelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04862225190267602959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-3749945007983318932018-02-03T10:05:01.776-07:002018-02-03T10:05:01.776-07:00Check my text within the section that focuses on t...Check my text within the section that focuses on the upper. I found them to be true to size, yet fit is race ready precise for technical terrain. If using more casually, or just prefer extra room, I could see sizing up by a half.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-7866359480751584852018-02-02T08:07:21.721-07:002018-02-02T08:07:21.721-07:00sizing thoughts? I need to buy them sight unseen. ...sizing thoughts? I need to buy them sight unseen. im a 9.5 in Nike and all. I hear I should go up a 1/2 size for these? thanks.Kurt Perhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00110597151188900084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-63855568792527064932017-12-14T19:58:39.092-07:002017-12-14T19:58:39.092-07:00I have only used the S Lab Sense SG 4, but I think...I have only used the S Lab Sense SG 4, but I think similar to the 6? Either way, the Scott has better, more forgiving cushion, protection and traction. The upper on the Salomon is SLIGHTLY better. I feel much more beat up after running in the SG 4 vs. the Scott. Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-72706110055864558142017-12-13T01:16:24.847-07:002017-12-13T01:16:24.847-07:00Hey Jeff, how does it compare to the regular S Lab...Hey Jeff, how does it compare to the regular S Lab Sense 6?Seethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02820621165997084048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-60546838790127005482017-09-13T01:29:53.906-06:002017-09-13T01:29:53.906-06:00I just bought my 4th pair. Favourite shoes for any...I just bought my 4th pair. Favourite shoes for any type of trail so far. I've ran up to 12 hours without any problem in them. The only issue would be the longevity of the outsole and mybe shoe in general (max 300kms so far for me) Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-39479450346103056492017-09-08T16:12:22.417-06:002017-09-08T16:12:22.417-06:00I liked the Vazee Summit v1, but the Supertrac RC ...I liked the Vazee Summit v1, but the Supertrac RC suits me much better. It has better foothold, protection, cushion and far superior traction. It does weigh a little more though and it would be terrain dependent whether or not the things I like more about the RC would be an advantage or not. As far as fit goes, the Vazee Summit and RC are similar I would say, but I think the RC might fit a wider range of feet with more leeway in the lacing. Speaking of heel width, I just updated the post with some comparative photos. The RC is SUPER narrow, which worried me at first, but I can rip steep, loose technical downhills with the utmost confidence, as well as sub 5 pace on faster, smoother downhill dirt road. Dom, I ran in the RC with normal insoles and updated above. Definitely more comfortable and I spent less time thinking about the insoles, but ultimately, I'll just keep the stock insoles.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-43100704210965312832017-09-08T16:06:46.712-06:002017-09-08T16:06:46.712-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-61772448591596330252017-09-08T12:46:13.527-06:002017-09-08T12:46:13.527-06:00Hi the Stoat,
I would agree that a narrow heel is ...Hi the Stoat,<br />I would agree that a narrow heel is more agile at speed, not something I do much of but did in the Summit v2 as for sure and it is secure and stable. I ran my fastest time on my 3 mile single track test loop in them. With low drop very firm heels, comfort suffers. With soft heels low drop stability suffers. And I do think a wider heel is more stable on the road, for example what a difference between the wide stable heel of adios Boost and the Nike VaporFly's pointy heel The difference in stability really shows up on steeper downhills. As far as stack and drop I don't disagree that a lower drop on this shoe would be valuable maybe in combination with more stack towards the front so the next result is the same weight overall. Of course front flex and agility would need to be close to what is there now, difficult as stack increases. This said I am reminded of something my good friend Bryon Powell of iRunFar , who runs all his ultras in the 10mm drop NB 1400 told me as few or maybe no one runs on their forefoot or even mid foot towards the back side of an ultra! For me at my advanced age and horrible stiff form that would be a marathon and I would not run one with less than 10mm especially if the heel is soft, for example adidas Boston . He says the heel lift is good then and I don't disagree. I have run up to halves with zero issues in Altra but would not go beyond in a race although we are of course all different. <br />Sam, EditorSam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-28221717016671271472017-09-08T09:27:57.667-06:002017-09-08T09:27:57.667-06:00Hi Sam - Interestingly I'm not surprised by th...Hi Sam - Interestingly I'm not surprised by the stability of the heel on the Vazee Summit. My theory is that when running on trails, a wide flat stiff heel is the last thing you want because if you tread on some unevenness to the side of your heel then the shoe cants over. A narrower heel is less likely to catch on something to the side. At the risk of sounding like a hippy barefoot runner type - your naked heel is narrow and rounded and yet that doesn't feel unstable :) To some extent I guess a heel striker probably has a different perspective to a forefoot runner and I do think that on flat roads then I can see the argument of a wider heel being more stable, but I rarely run on roads so probably shouldn't comment.<br />As for the drop on the Vazee - we'll have to agree to disagree :) I am a fore - mid foot striker so probably don't need too much protection at the heel and I find on the downhills it gets in the way a bit. I guess what is surprising to me is that there is not much cushioning in the front of the shoe, so for a relatively minimal feel at the front of the shoe the 10mm drop seems out of place.The Stoathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11810746631414671721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-76649645272733794882017-09-08T08:49:19.054-06:002017-09-08T08:49:19.054-06:00Hi Dan and The Stoat,
Agree the NB Vazee Summit V2...Hi Dan and The Stoat,<br />Agree the NB Vazee Summit V2 is a fantastic shoe. I am not so sure it would be as good with 6mm less in the heel though. Liable to be very firm as a result. A more rounded toe box would be great. I was surprised at how well they raced for me in a 25K that was about half very wet grass and mud the rest hard pack wide nordic trails. Also surprised given how narrow the heel landing and arch area underfoot are how stable they are. Jeff did run and review the Summit v1 and may be able to compare. <br />Here is my Summit v2 review http://www.roadtrailrun.com/2017/06/new-balance-vazee-summit-trail-v2.html<br />Sam, Editor<br />Sam Winebaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969086391170473784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-75636372488943737092017-09-08T07:56:16.621-06:002017-09-08T07:56:16.621-06:00^^^ I'd be interested in that comparison as we...^^^ I'd be interested in that comparison as well. I think that the Vazee Summit 2.0 is a great shoe. For me it has just enough squish and protection for longer distances while still giving good ground feel for short / fast / technical conditions. The rubber and tread is a perfect jack of all trades - it runs fine on short sections of road, but is deep enough for some softer conditions. <br />However... the 10mm drop seems slightly out of character with the rest of the shoe (and the rest of their range) and also, while the toebox is overall wide enough, it is very pointed which gives me problems with my 3rd toe. <br /><br />If they squared off the toebox a touch and took 6mm off the heel then the shoe would get 10/10 from me. Could the Scott be that shoe?The Stoathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11810746631414671721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-8646604136162947732017-09-08T07:29:39.583-06:002017-09-08T07:29:39.583-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Stoathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11810746631414671721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-49941886039244088842017-09-07T18:27:44.974-06:002017-09-07T18:27:44.974-06:00That much outsole wear so soon is pretty unaccepta...That much outsole wear so soon is pretty unacceptable IMO. Are you able to compare these to the Vazee Summit? It's been my go to 50mi and below race shoe. Really looking forward to the Summit Unknown/1400 version that comes out next year.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837613895390894276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-15810628442130106342017-09-07T16:29:08.853-06:002017-09-07T16:29:08.853-06:00Thanks Dom. Yes, I do plan to take them out with ...Thanks Dom. Yes, I do plan to take them out with a normal insole, will update soon.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-8513126315243586162017-09-07T15:01:32.046-06:002017-09-07T15:01:32.046-06:00Nice review, Jeff! Any chance you could do a test...Nice review, Jeff! Any chance you could do a test run substituting a different insole for the rubbery Scott ones? Maybe with one type on each foot? Would be interesting to see how much difference their surface treatment makes. It might help when shoe is wet, and/or on steep descents...Telemarkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464416054977970508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10529476.post-87103166858474328522017-09-07T10:47:21.926-06:002017-09-07T10:47:21.926-06:00Following.Following.Jeff Vallierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106877622296558733noreply@blogger.com